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Why doesn't my partner like it when I go down on her? Plus: how do I get out of a relationship when I owe my girlfriend money?

By Cait Robinson

Have a question? Email . Letters may be edited for length, content, and clarity. 

Dear Miss Information,

I'm a twenty-one-year-old guy. The day after my last relationship ended terribly, I hooked up with a friend from high school. Flash forward to now, about two years later. My high-school friend and I are still together. We've lived together our entire relationship, and for most of it I was a jobless stoner, while she brought in the money.

She is a beautiful girl in her own way, but she has some weight issues, and she recently developed a skin condition. Both of these things make her wicked insecure. I tell her she's beautiful every day, but she has a need for outside approval, which she gets by flirting. This doesn't bother me, but she tends to hide her cell phone and/or delete texts, and when I do see them, I catch glimpses of guys texting saying how much they want to do her and how they'd do it better than me. She also once left me passed out in the car at a party, and I woke up to find her locked in a bedroom with three guys, a girl, and no clothes. I told her I wouldn't have been so upset had she woken me up and invited me in. Which is true: the act didn't hurt nearly as much as the exclusion did. But despite her dalliances, she says she loves me, and that she wants a family with me.

I don't really want that right now. I don't know if I'll ever want it with her. I enjoy her company, and sleeping with her, but I don't want to stay with her for life, and I haven't since that party. I feel like I owe it to her to stay because of the time she spent supporting me, but I'm not sure I love her anymore. I don't know what the right thing to do is. I'm worried that the "right" thing and my happiness are mutually exclusive. — Dazed and Confused

Dear Dazed and Confused,

You know how when you're on an airplane, they tell you to put the oxygen mask on your own face before you help the person sitting next to you? You can't nurture and support another person until you have taken care of yourself.

As I read your last paragraph, I thought, "Nice, Dazed and Confused. You answered your own question." And I mean it: there was some real insight there. You have the clarity to make statements like "I don't really want that right now" and "I don't want to stay with her for life." Listen to those voices.

But that clarity is muddied by all of these complicating factors, right? Namely, your guilt over having been supported by her for so long, and your awareness that she's hurting and needs (male) validation. "Obligation" is not a good reason to stay in a relationship, especially a relationship as volatile as this one. She helped you out of affection and love, but as callous as turning your back on that might feel, you can't allow indebtedness to trap you. "I'm with you because I owe you" is not the same as "I'm with you because I love you." You're not doing her any favors by sticking around. As for the finances, you can repay her later, after you two have gone your separate ways, healed your wounds, and gotten your lives back.

At this juncture, D&C, your first priority should be to get yourself back on your feet. This means find your own apartment, cut off contact with her (or, at the very least, greatly reduce it and give it strict parameters), make your own friends separate from hers... and, uh, spend less time unconscious in cars.

This is going to be a really painful and drawn-out process, D&C, but periods of growth so often are. You're young! You've got a whole lifetime of functional, semi-functional, and "ugh, fuck" relationships ahead of you! The best thing you can do for yourself is invest in your personal development. This means learn who you are when you're not holding up one half of a messy relationship. It's especially significant that this two-year stint started as a rebound from your last failed relationship. You can't keep bouncing from girl to girl, looking for stability — stability has to come from you. Being single for awhile and setting down roots of your own would do you wonders.

Dear Miss Information,

I'm a forty-year-old male, married for seven years, but with her for ten-plus. We have two kids.

I love oral sex, but my wife doesn't. About a year and a half ago, at my request, my wife shaved mostly bald down there. This drove me nuts with desire, and I wanted to go down on her constantly. The problem is, she doesn't like it much. I know it's not me — I've read books, watched both girl-on-girl porn and instructional videos, and tried all sorts of techniques, angles, and speeds to find an approach she likes. But nothing is working. She just indulges me for a couple of minutes during foreplay, before urging me on to the "main event." Recently, I even tried analingus on her to see if that worked, and I absolutely loved it, but she, of course, didn't. So now I have two problems!

Is this normal? Is something wrong with my wife? I thought all women loved receiving oral? How can I tell her I want more, when she wants less? — Orally Frustrated

Dear Orally Frustrated,

Whoa, whoa, whoa. I was on board with your question until you got to the actual questions. What's with the rush to pathologize? Nothing is wrong with your wife. But there is something wrong with your approach.

Where did you get this notion that all women loved oral sex? Do all men like foot-centric porn? Do all men like having their hair pulled? Do all men like being tied up and called "Nancy?" In sexuality, there are no absolutes. Holding your wife to this imaginary standard is ultimately damaging to both of you — to you, because you think she's broken, and to her, because you're treating her like she's broken. Let that go; it's only causing stress. There is nothing less sexy than hearing, "Sweetheart, I think there's something wrong with you."

First and foremost, you need to figure out which version of "Lie Back and Think of England" your wife is experiencing. There's a big difference between your wife indulging the oral sex to make you happy, and her actively disliking it and wanting it to stop. Which is it?

If it's the former — if she sees how much you like going down on her, and puts aside her own boredom to let you have your fun — then she's a hell of a gal. Treat her "indulgence" like the generosity that it is, and repay her with generosity of your own. Do whatever it is that blows her mind, drives her crazy. Then you will have a mutually satisfying give-and-take, and everybody wins.

If she actively dislikes oral sex, though, then you need to stop. If she has made her displeasure and discomfort known and you persist, you're disregarding her feelings and sending her the message that your needs are more important than hers. And that's really not okay.

So assuming that it's Option A, and she's gamely tolerating oral sex because she loves you, it still doesn't change the fact that you love giving head and she's stifling her yawns. What's an orally-frustrated husband to do? Talk to her. It's simple, but it seems like you've spent more time consulting porn than consulting your wife. I commend you for doing your research on showing her a good time, but your protestations here — "I know my skillz aren't the problem! I did research!" — are more about preserving your ego than pleasing her. Let that attitude go. In bed, ego is the anti-boner.

Ask her how she feels about this whole thing. Ask her if it feels good, and if not, why. Ask her what she likes, what you can do differently, and really listen to her answers. Don't imply that she's wrong or brandish your stack of porn or get huffy ("The girls in Ass-Lickers IV liked it — what the hell is wrong with you?") Above all, respect what she has to say. It's her body; she knows what works. Worst-case scenario, she takes oral sex off the table, but by talking through it, you find something more mutually satisfying. In the end, when she's turned on, you have more fun, right?

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Comments ( 33 )

Nov 15 10 at 3:07 am
Dan

Solid, well-grounded answers. Way to be, MI!

Nov 15 10 at 3:31 am
ID

I don't think Orally Frustrated just wants to go down on his wife; he wants to go down on her and have her orgasm from it, or at least really get into it. Unfortunately, some women just don't like oral and can't get off from it, no matter how skilled or attentive the other person is. Other things being equal, sex is generally more fun with someone who CAN get off that way, but at least OF's wife still wants his dick in her. P.S. "All women love oral" isn't just a porn trope -- there's a shitload of feminist sex lit from the 1970s that basically says "dicks are irrelevant, oral sex is what a woman needs".

Nov 15 10 at 4:00 am
Shannon

I had a similar problem as D&C with my current serious boyfriend. He wanted to feel more sure of himself and he would hang out with one damaged, unsavoury girl after the next for validation. He got involved in a lot of drama I resented. What ended up helping was a combination of support and honest criticism. We got into many a fight over his female friends and what they did for him emotionally. He tried to justify them as genuine friends but we both knew whey he gravitated towards these needy types. Eventually, through work and self-improvement and a deepening of our relationship he evened out. We're both better off for it.

Nov 15 10 at 5:39 am
LH

Omg, I love this new Miss Information.

Nov 15 10 at 6:01 am
bp

Ego is the biggest god damn turn off. I thought I hated oral sex because I kept sleeping with guys whose egos were so wrapped up in it that if I failed to come they would be traumatized forever and make sure I knew I was broken (not them, they were doing it right, they watched porn, all the other girls whose pussies they even breathed on came!). Then, for the first time, I got with a partner who just genuinely wanted us to have a good time. We mutually decided not to worry about orgasms at all, out of respect for the fact that I was convinced my sexual response was broken. Mind. Fucking. Blowing. Sex. Turns out I love oral sex. I'm just super turned off by egotistic assholes.

Nov 15 10 at 6:21 am
q

Spot on, Miss Information. The stuff about instructional videos, techniques, angles, and speeds is kinda alarming-- it's great that Orally Frustrated is eager to learn, but it sounds like a lot of pressure on his wife to provide satisfactory results for his research project. Chill out a bit and maybe you'll both enjoy it more. (bp's suggestion to decide on not worrying about orgasms is a good one.)

Nov 15 10 at 6:48 am
Caitlin

go go Miss Information!
I actually hate oral sex except in certain moods. With my current partner, it's just a road to intercourse as far as I'm concerned.
And, Dazed and Confused? Something important to keep in mind that Miss Information didn't note- what drives her crazy might be you doing the dishes. I know that when I have a lot of housework to think about I want to rush sex and skip foreplay if I can, it just turns into another obligation. So that could be it too.

Nov 15 10 at 7:22 am
CaitRobinson

Yes, Caitlin, good call! Ego is the anti-boner, but having household chores done? That's basically a Marvin Gaye album.

Nov 15 10 at 10:00 am
Clairedelalune

Some really good advice from the new-ish Miss Info!

Nov 15 10 at 10:48 am
JCF

D&C, it sounds like your girlfriend seeks to be desired and needed. Everyone wants to feel that way, of course, but her maybe especially so, and when she isn't really "needed" for any interval of time, she starts to get antsy. That's why she was happy to take care of you after your previous breakup even if you didn't contribute much to living expenses. As you got on your feet a little more, you started needing her a little less, so she looked to others to try to fill that void. When you were passed out in the car, you didn't need her at all at that point, so she went to others who did. That's not a recipe for a healthy relationship. See if you can get back to self-supporting, and expect things to deteriorate further as you do. If you want to try to save the relationship, it's not so much telling her she's beautiful (though don't stop), but that you need her to be faithful and supportive of you to make you a happier person.

Nov 15 10 at 3:25 pm
somegirl

I'm on team Cait. You rock.

Nov 15 10 at 5:00 pm
to orally frustrated

Giving oral isn't supposed to be a selfish act. Relax, Let a woman show you the way. It worked for me.

Nov 15 10 at 10:29 pm
Ouch!

Try going really, really softly. All the porn I watch, even girl on girl, the guy or girl is licking or sucking so hard in exaggerated pantomime oral sex. My boyfriend still does this. I get frustrated but unless I have some sort of response, he just goes at it harder and harder. My poor clitoris feels bewildered and wonders why he's angry at her. No matter how many times I tell him (gently and with care for the ego) to go softer, he inevitably gets really into it and just goes harder. Soft! Soft! It doesn't work for everyone, but try it on your wife next time you're down there. Although, I agree that maybe she just doesn't like it. Try approaching it like you know nothing about oral sex, instead of everything.

Nov 15 10 at 11:17 pm
Agreed

Ouch!, you are right on. One time, I asked my man friend to be more gentle and he responded with, "What, like no teeth?" They really just forget that this is a delicate area.

Nov 16 10 at 2:41 am
mpb

I have gotten frustrated enough with bad oral to say (after trying to explain what I wanted, or try to move their heads or suchlike), "I hope this is turning you on because you don't seem to be doing it for me." I'd prefer not to have to be so cranky, but it's really, really frustrating to have a guy theoretically trying to make you feel good while just annoying you. Like many commenters, I thought I just didn't like oral until I met the man I ended up marrying, who was willing to go slow and gentle. (And just by the by, I love rough sex. When it comes to fucking, harder is better. But for oral--nope. Just to point out that what she likes in other venues may not be a good predictor).

Nov 16 10 at 12:33 pm
eb

Oral has never ever ever worked on me, not with people I love, not with people who listened, nothing, never. I don't mind getting it at all if that's what someone is into, but the sensation is about as erotic as someone rubbing a washcloth on my arm. For me it's penetration or nothing.

Nov 16 10 at 7:41 pm
pb

I'll always love Erin, but "Lie back and think of England" is damn good.

Nov 18 10 at 12:04 am
L

I have a few points in regard to the oral sex question. I too used to not really enjoy oral sex, one of my main reasons was that I felt insecure about the smell of my pussy even though lovers assured me it was great. I finally relaxed enough to enjoy it but it did take awhile. I find I feel more comfortable after a shower. My other issue with oral sex was that I really could not come from the other person's rhythm so I started doing more grinding my lovers face instead with much better results. Perhaps if your wife takes more control of the oral sex she will get off easier and then like it more. Or if she likes penetration, she could use a dildo while you follow her lead with your tongue.

Nov 19 10 at 8:45 pm
Ah

I'm just not into oral. Glad to see I'm not alone. Too up-close and personal for me to be comfortable, but I get on just fine without it!

Nov 20 10 at 4:29 pm
WG

Argh, I want to smack Orally Frustrated back into reality. Yes, it IS you. And while it may have to do with your angles, etc, it's more likely it has to do with your attitude. All I hear in this is me,. me, me, I want. Is it any wonder she doesn't want YOU? There is nothing that says you respect her needs and her wants. She's made it clear she doesn't want you to give her oral sex and yet you persist. Why? Respect and listening are the most important parts of one's sex life. Also, take it from a woman, porn is NOT the place to learn how to give oral sex. It is a movie, just like a Hollywood movie, and has about as much relation to real sex as Superman does to real men. Go read the Joys of Lesbian Sex and read how to give cunnilingus. And take you and your ego out of the equation and listen to her and her wants and needs. Oh, and when she tells you you suck at it and your angles are all wrong, don't get all butthurt and upset. Take it for her finally being honest with you and listen. And if she says she just doesn't like oral at all, then understand she's likely not submissive (receiving oral is very much a submissive thing) and learn to incorporate other things into your sex life that turn her crank and I guarantee your sex life will go through the roof.

Best,
WG

Nov 21 10 at 4:32 pm
ROD

if the gender's were reversed for "orally frustrated" the advice would have been completely different.

Nov 21 10 at 7:07 pm
mm

Orally Frustrated: She indulges you for a few minutes and then drags you on to the main event. I have totally done this, and its not because I don't like oral sex. It's because in my experience most men have NO CLUE what they are doing. I am super sensitve, and for quite a while I need the lightest touch imaginable or else I'm gritting my teeth and trying to get through it. Usually I just get annoyed and call the guy off. PLEASE do not base your techniques on porn.... its completely wrong and its goal is to LOOK good, not FEEL good.

Dec 05 10 at 9:20 pm
AD

"if the gender's were reversed for "orally frustrated" the advice would have been completely different."

Is that meant to be surprising? If the genders were reversed it would a question regarding two completely different people with entirely different approaches to sex. Even if one bought into the idea of a gender binary, a situation with reversed genders would logically call for inverse advice. Women and men approach sex and sexuality with different mindsets, goals, and perspectives. To not respect those differences, or strive for fulfilling mutual goals, and give advice accordingly would be foolhardy.

Dec 12 10 at 2:47 am
sfa

Words can not express how much Orally Frustrated and men like him piss me off. Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with your technique, you're a veritable sex god! Your wife's the one with problems! Don't want to bruise your precious ego, do we? I mean honestly, going through the list of reasons of why you just can't be the problem, I see a glaring omission; have you tried asking your wife? Just think about it for a second, if your goal is to please your wife, which of these is the best way to achieve this?

a) ask your wife what she likes
b) watch strangers have choreographed sex
c) read a book that tries to package all the variety of female sexual response in neat little boxes
d) randomly adjust your angle/technique in an attempt to strike gold by pure chance

If you've chosen anything except a), you have failed as a husband/boyfriend/companion to a woman.

Feb 07 11 at 9:41 pm
WDH

Orally: Don't know you and your wife, so can't say for sure, but from your attitude I'd say here's where your problem lies: You want to MAKE her come. Clearly. She knows you want to MAKE her come. She's not at all comfortable with you having the super-hero power to MAKE her come. She'd much prefer to pull you on top her her and indulge you in a little in-out-in-out until YOU come, and HER power in the relationship remains intact.
If I am describing what's going on (and I may not be, I don't know you), I've got no easy answer for you. Your wife has already decided that she's not going to be that vulnerable to you. If she comes, it's going to be on her terms, and probably when you aren't around.

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