Savage Love
My brother has a secret, and it's freaking me out.
By Dan Savage
I'm a twenty-year-old straight male, but this isn't really about me.
I was recently back home for a family event while my younger brother, age fourteen, was away on a mission trip with his church. My iPad died while I was home and my mother told me to look in the kitchen drawers for a charger. I couldn't find one there, so she told me to check my brother's bedside table. I opened the drawer and, with a little digging, found a charger.
I also found a few pictures of gay porn and a couple of pictures of male celebrities with their shirts off that had been clipped from magazines. It isn't the gay porn I have a problem with, I fully support him coming into his sexuality, whatever it might be, but then I found a few things that were a bit more disturbing: I found a picture of our father in his swim trunks, and another one of a fully naked man with a cutout photo of my father's face glued over the original model's face. Needless to say, I was freaked out. I put everything back where I had found it, including the charger, and haven't said anything to him about it. Now I'm in a tough spot. I know that telling my brother I found the pictures would mortify him, and I feel like telling my father would be a complete dick move.
Any help you can offer me would be a big help.
— Concerned And Scared
I can appreciate why those pictures squicked you out — a family member lusting after a family member? Ughers — but I don't understand exactly what it is you're afraid of, CAS. While your brother appears to have an inappropriate and — fingers crossed — fleeting sexual obsession with your father, can you picture a scenario in which your brother's desires, however devoutly wished, could be consummated?
Unless something much, much squickier is going on back home, your brother isn't a danger to your father, CAS, nor is your father a danger to your brother. The only danger I can see is in the false choice you've laid out in your letter. Saying something to your brother will only poison your relationship with him; saying something to your father will certainly kill his relationship with his son. And destroying either relationship over what is most likely a temporary bonerstorm-of-puberty-induced obsession — an obsession that will soon be a distant and unpleasant memory for your brother — seems a bit extreme.
If those pictures weren't in a place where your parents might also find them, CAS, I would advise you to stuff this one way down the ol' memory hole. But there they are, in a place where Mom and Dad — but especially Dad — might find 'em. So you're going to memorize this and say it your brother ASAP: "Hey, kiddo, Mom told me to look in your nightstand drawer for a iPad power cord. I found one — along with what looked like gay porn. I didn't peruse your porn collection too closely because I wanted to respect your privacy. But you need to get that stuff out of the house before Mom or Dad finds it. It's cool with me if you're gay, and I love you and it makes no difference — but leaving porn around is not how you want to come out to Mom and Dad, okay?"
Then tell him that grown-ups don't keep porn in their bedside tables anymore: the internet is for porn, and he can access all the porn he likes safely and discreetly on his iPad.
I would like to know why my husband is divorcing me to marry an eighty-seven-year-old woman.
— Extremely Humiliated
Only your husband knows the real reason, EH, but if I were to hazard a couple of guesses: either this woman is extremely wealthy or your husband is a gerontophile. Sadly, neither makes this situation any less humiliating for you. But try to look at the bright side: no one who hears what your husband has done — and no one who knows you both personally — is going to think there's something wrong with you.
I am a forty-three-year-old mother of three, married for almost twenty years. Three years and one child in, my husband confessed that he had a penchant for being a BDSM sub. My reaction was, "Okay, I'll try it, but if you want to explore that with pro doms, be my guest." Which he did.
Fast-forward a dozen years. I'm going bonkers because my husband is impotent. And don't tell me ED can be fixed, because in our case it couldn't. And don't tell me there are alternatives (oral, manual, toys), because all of those are just not the same for me. My body needs a fully functioning and capable man. So my husband gives me his "blessing" to take a lover. I didn't even have to ask! I just needed to be miserable and depressed for a dozen years!
Now I have two lovers. One lives far away, and I see him a few times a year; the other is local. The problem is that they are both married to spouses who don't know. Like me, neither of my lovers is interested in divorce. That's the good news. The bad news is that I'm not happy with the integrity of these situations. I know that what I am doing is considered despicable by many people, despite the fact that I'm probably a marriage-saving device for both of these women. (Their husbands are happier, I'm not trying to steal their husbands, and I'm not a financial burden on either of them.) I would love to find someone in an honest open relationship, but this has so far eluded me. So I guess my question is: how do I set up a situation with more integrity when the world isn't really ready for people like me?
— Normal Soccer Mom From Afar
The answer NSMFA seeks is obvious — there are hard-up single men out there, married men in honest open relationships, men in the organized-swinging movement, and she should go fuck some of them — but I'm including NSMFA's problem in the column for all the smug monogamists sending me angry letters in the wake of Mark Oppenheimer's recent feature about monogamy and its discontents in the New York Times Magazine ("Married, with Infidelities," June 30, 2011). While regular readers of Savage Love know where I stand on monogamy — with the realists, monogamous or not — not many readers of the New York Times knew where I stood.
Anyway, smugsters, here's what I think is interesting about NSMFA's letter: everyone involved is perceived to be in a monogamous relationship, by their friends, family members, neighbors, bosses, coworkers, elected representatives, etc.; two of the women involved — the duped wives of the men that NSMFA is seeing on the side — may actually believe themselves to be in monogamous relationships. But not one of these three couples — not one of these six "traditionally married" straight people — is actually in a monogamous relationship.
Just something to keep in mind, monogamists, before you hit "send" on your e-mail to me about your beautiful, deep, and meaningful monogamous relationship, about how your parents never cheated on each other, about how none of your married friends would ever cheat on their spouses, and about how people like me have no idea what real love means because we're not in monogamous relationships, etc., etc., etc.
Because you just never know, do you?
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Commentarium (26 Comments)
Watched you on Colbert a short while ago. I feel as though you took him slightly too seriously.
Isn't that the point of Colbert? It ruins the fun if the guest doesn't play along with the satire.
Aww that's mean people should be able to trust their monogamous partners. Besides, if you have a problem with monogamy don't be in a monogamous relationship nobody is stopping you. For those of us who believe monogamy is the right and honest way to be in a deep and trusting relationship with another individual, don't go and tell us "you just never know, do you?"
Yeah, I think Dan is kind of biased against monogamy, because I doubt many people write in on a regular basis to say, "Things are going pretty well, and I don't think my S.O. is cheating on me. Cheers!"
That said, I think the point that you don't really know whether or not the people around you are as monogamous as you think is a good one.
exactly. the bf and i have been happily semi-open (we fuck around on the side, but not too much) for three of our four years together, but we don't publicize it- because our friends and coworkers don't need to know that shit. however, everyone just assumes we're totally monogamous, and i've had friends use us as an example of successful monogamy in debates about this very topic, while i sit there and squirm from irony-pains in my stomach.
So i'm generally pro 'monogamy.' my last relationship was 'open.' it was my first foray into such, and it really was a rather negative experience, and one which other friends have chimed in with 'oh yeah i had that same situation with (ex from the past couple years).' We had fairly well defined ground-rules - pretty basic emotional-monogamy but sure go fuck randos every now and then, then after we'll talk about it. lots of openness, lots of honesty, lots of mutual respect. but she was dishonest about it, and basically just wanted an escape hatch so she could move seamlessly on to the next mark. I know that that's not what real nonmonogamy is about . but its also not an unusual experience.
I find it funny that people comment to Dan Savage on Hooksexup. A whole lot of internet and print publication carry savage love. If Dan or the letter writers read any comments (almost certainly not and probably, respectively), then they would most likely read them on the stranger, where savage love is actually published. Just a helpful hint.
thank you for pointing this out. I've often thought the same thing. It's sort of like when someone famous dies, and people send condolences to the family on some randon message board. Why?
I dunno, I see it as just starting a conversation, same as any other comment board.
SC isn't talking about starting a conversation with other posters...of course that's ok. SC is talking about, for example, hm's first post where he specifically tells Savage that he took Steven Colbert too seriously, as if he's expecting Savage to read and respond to the post. You're right that it's not a big deal either way, but again, I do find it kind of odd.
Hmmm..my concern with Concerned and Scared is that this fetish *may* (not necessarily and hopefully hopefully hopefully not) be the result of abuse by the father ('much squickier'). I realize that this is a Lifetime Movie-esque scenario, and it probably is as DS says, a "fingers crossed fleeting sexual obsession". And I am fully aware that dreams/fantasies/etc. about family members happen often and are not necessarily indicative of any shady things, but maybe a well placed "Are you okay bro? You can come to me about absolutely anything" sort of conversation wouldn't be the worst idea.
Exactly. Red flags immediately went up for me about possible sexual abuse!
I dont think most sexually abused people make paper dolls or bedside momentos out of there molesters. I didnt need anything around me that reminded me of mine, including my new easter dress which got buried in the back yard when I was 14.
Yeah. Abuse does not make you secretly fantasize about your abuser. Maybe if Daddy's head was on a bunch of mutilated paper dolls.
Also, this smacks of "being raped by a man turns you gay."
Not everyone deals with abuse in the same way, and no way is wrong. Just saying.
Nice selection of quagmires there. My concern for the first situation would be whether something worrying is going on--even if only mentally--that won't just dissipate with time. What then? I wish the family the best.
Just a thought... Maybe CAS' younger brother is wondering/fantasizing about what he will look like as an adult, with an adult man's naked body... using his father's face, which probably bears a resemblance to his own? Perhaps there's no dad-fantasy or molestation or abuse going on here at all, simply a teenager being curious and anxious to grow up.
Doubtful. Remember, he pasted his father's head on a naked picture of a male porn star.
Also, with a little more thought it occurs to me that Mom might have seen this already. She might have directed CAS to the drawer because she thinks he's the only one who can possibly get younger brother to remove the pictures without totally humiliating him, before Dad accidentally finds them. So CAS is right to feel he has to do something, and DS's advice is what he should do.
Great advice re the internet is for porn for CAS, but don't forget to also give your brother a heads-up on how to delete his browsing history too!
Mollyxxx
https://mollysdailykiss.com/
I can't stand this. The simple fact that people cheat is not reason enough to accept it and be comfortable with it. If I were gay in a time where homosexuality was simply not tolerated at all, I would not just accept that and keep quiet. Dan Savage as a black man, pre-civil rights movement: "Well, seems like most white people think we're lesser beings. I can't say I agree with that idea, but.. I guess I should just accept it as the way things are. No use getting all upset about being a slave. All these white folks have slaves. That makes it more ok, I guess."
You're weak, Dan. Weak.
Henry, that's ridiculous. Discrimination is telling other people and maybe convincing them that they are lesser for who they are. Being honest about your desires and honest about your faults, with both yourself and your partner, is not only being honest but cutting yourself some slack and accepting that you aren't able to behave a certain way just because everyone tells you too (note, this only applies to things that do know harm to others. You shouldn't come to terms with being a serial killer). Do you drink eight cups of water every day? Exercise daily? Do you do something every day to make sure your partner knows you love them? Do you always recycle, including carrying recyclables home if a proper receptacle is not available? Do you pick up trash off the street? Do you eat a balanced meal each and every time you sit down for a meal? No? You don't do all those things and all the other things? Then maybe you have no right to be so damn puritanical. Being people is complicated stuff and Dan's stance simply acknowledges that and says that if more of us were to acknowledge that fact we might all be better off.
The monogamy thing is strange. I was interviewing married women about their sex lives and found it easy to find lifestylers, submissives, people with no sex lives, etc... but it incredibly difficult to find anyone who would admit to infidelity. Even in an anonymous interview!
jill
https://inbedwithmarriedwomen.blogspot.com
ps worse thing EVER to find in a family member's dresser drawer
You cudlon't pay me to ignore these posts!
I think monogamy is ok for those who choose to be. But if you dont want to be in a monoganous relationship dont wait to long to say so.
EQZwzw Well, actually, a lot of what you write is not quite true ... well, okay, it does not matter:)))
Now you say something