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My husband broke the rules of our threesome and I’m heartbroken. Am I wrong to feel this way?


By Dan Savage

I had a threesome with my husband and another woman because I am GGG and that’s always been a fantasy of his. I laid out my ground rules, and they were violated. (I said I was uncomfortable with his P in her V, and I ended up watching them fuck.) I didn’t stop it at the time because I didn’t want to ruin it for him. It’s been some time, and my heart is still broken. I was completely down with every other aspect of the threesome, but I feel like a line was crossed. Am I wrong to feel hurt?

— Heartbroken

Please hand this column to your husband. My response is for him.

You are one stupid motherfucker.

Here’s how you’re a motherfucker: your wife agreed to have a threesome on one condition — no penis-in-vagina intercourse with the other woman. That’s a fairly common ground rule for first-time threesomes, and you agreed to honor that ground rule. But you went ahead and stuck your penis in the other woman’s vagina anyway.

Maybe you felt your wife’s no-penis-in-our-third’s-vagina ground rule was arbitrary. Maybe it seemed like a distinction without a difference — you were already sucking and fondling and kissing and rolling around, why should fucking be against the rules? — but it mattered to your GGG wife. And your wife consented to that threesome only after you agreed not to stick your penis in the other woman’s vagina. And when you went ahead and stuck your penis in the other woman’s vagina anyway, you stupid motherfucker, that threesome suddenly became a nonconsensual sexual experience for your wife. And now she feels violated.

Because you violated her.

Adding to her feelings of violation, she felt obligated to play along and pretend she was fine with your penis in the other woman’s vagina because she didn’t want to ruin the experience for you, for starters, and she probably didn’t want to make your third feel uncomfortable — a third who either didn’t know about the no-penis-in-her-vagina ground rule or knew about it and didn’t give a shit (which makes her a malicious motherfucker) — and as a result, your wife may feel complicit in her own violation. Talk about mind-fucks!

That’s how you’re a motherfucker. Here’s how you’re stupid: if you had demonstrated to your wife during your very first threesome that you could be trusted, if you had cheerfully observed the ground rules, this threesome would very likely have been the first in a whole series of sexual adventures. If you had kept your penis out of the other woman’s vagina, you stupid motherfucker, your wife might have trusted you with more and allowed you to do more during a future threesome. You might have gotten to penis-in-vagina intercourse with another woman with your wife’s enthusiastic consent!

To others out there with partners who have agreed to have a threesome: sometimes, a nervous wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend sets ground rules for an inaugural threesome that seem arbitrary, because they are arbitrary. (Don’t use tongue when you kiss the other person, don’t use my favorite tit clamps on the other person, you can put your penis in the hole in the other person’s face but not in the hole[s] in the other person’s swimsuit area.) When your partner declares a particular kiss/toy/orifice out of bounds, he or she isn’t just holding something back because it’s special. They are also measuring your ability to respect their boundaries. 

Respecting your partner’s boundaries — honoring those ground rules — sends a message: “I may be messing around with someone else with your okay, but I love you, and your emotional and sexual needs still come first.”

And once a nervous wife/husband/boyfriend/girlfriend sees with their own eyes that their ground rules are going to be respected — once they see that their partners can mess around with someone else without forgetting who matters to them most — those ground rules tend to become less restrictive.

But that’s not gonna happen for you now, you stupid motherfucker, because you couldn’t honor your wife’s ground rules during your first — and most likely last — threesome. You violated her, you violated her trust, and you screwed yourself out of future sexual adventures. If you ever hope to have another threesome, or to realize some other sexual fantasy, or if your wife has a sexual fantasy that she would like to realize (one that you might enjoy helping her realize), you’re going to need to offer her a plausible explanation and an abject apology.

 

I’m in love. But my boyfriend of more than a year is REALLY into the fantasy of an MFF threesome. I’m as GGG as girls get, but I’m one of those rare types who was sexually abused by an adult woman when I was a young girl. He knows this. And though I was a bit slow telling him, just because it’s so fucking hard to talk about, he knows that ever since I realized that I was attracted to other women, I’ve felt like a guilty pervert. Thanks to copious amounts of alcohol, I’ve gotten about as far with another girl as a stereotypical college student, but the abuse still haunts me. (And, yes, I go to therapy when I can afford it.)

My question is this: if I may never be capable of fulfilling his fantasy by bringing another chick into our bed, am I an asshole for wanting to remain in an LTR with this guy? He knows I’m into women and that I would like to explore that somehow, eventually, but I don’t know if he gets how hard that could actually be for me. I have no idea how to even broach this subject with him, as I’ve described it to you. Should I even try? Should I set him free?

— Whatever Your Intern Can Come Up With

First, WYICCUW, I’m so sorry about the sexual abuse you suffered. But I would urge you to prioritize therapy over, say, a third and fourth round of drinks. Fewer copious-amounts-of-alcohol-enabled bisexual experiences in the short run, with less money going to booze and more going to therapy, may lead to more — and happier, and easier-to-recall — bisexual experiences in the long run.

As for the boyfriend, just tell him that, due to your history, an MFF threesome is not something you would be able to do for or with him anytime soon. If going without MFF threesomes for the foreseeable future is a price of admission that he’s willing to pay to be with you, WYICCUW, do him the honor of letting him pay it.

 

I’m a straight woman who enjoys gay porn and writes slash fiction. Seeing my husband make love to another man is my biggest fantasy of all, but he insists that it will never happen. He did agree to an MMF threesome, but only if he didn’t have to do anything with the other man. I found a guy in a city we are visiting in three weeks. My husband doesn’t know this guy is bisexual and into him. (He has seen pictures of my husband.) I’m hoping that my husband will feel “inspired” once “things” are under way. What’s the best strategy for getting my husband — 

— She Lusts After Sexy Homos

Sorry to cut you off there, SLASH, but I don’t need to read the rest of your letter. DO NOT spring a bisexual-and-into-him third on your husband. DO NOT violate your husband’s ground rules. DO NOT be a stupid motherfucker.

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Commentarium (30 Comments)

Feb 29 12 - 1:19am
jbh

I haven't gotten this much of a kick out of Dan Savage's writing in a long time.

Feb 29 12 - 4:08am
AJ

+11111!!

And I really feel for LW1. Not cool.

Feb 29 12 - 1:52am
bbj

Can you even begin to imagine SLASH's husbands reaction? OMFG that's funny/scary/fucked up.

Feb 29 12 - 4:00am
GeeBee

I know this makes me sound like an asshole, but I would love to be a fly on the wall if she's dumb enough to ignore Dan's advice.

Feb 29 12 - 6:11am
k

LW1, what he did is disregarded you completely. If it were me, I would call this cheating and get out of this relationship, since he obviously cares more about his own selfish experience and not at all about the other's (he didn't even ask you how you felt about it afterwards? Didn't notice any discomfort on your part after ignoring your only condition? Asshole). But I'm not you. I don't let people who claim to love me prioritize a random sexual encounter over my happiness. Not more than once, before I'm done.

Feb 29 12 - 8:04am
M

I absolutely agree that what he did makes him a stupid motherfucker! However, I am not sure that calling it cheating and getting divorced is... the best advice. LW1 clearly loves her husband, and just because he's a stupid motherfucker does not necessarily mean that he's a terrible husband or person.. he made a mistake... he definitely violated her... but I can see that getting carried away in the spur of the moment can lead to actions.... we live to regret later. live and learn. of course, if he regularly makes a point of being a stupid mofo, he may not be husband material. I think he should be really fucking apologetic and do whatever it takes to gain her trust back, but I also think sex makes people do stupid shit. I hope they figure it out anyway!

Feb 29 12 - 12:38pm
k

I know what I said sounded harsh and arrogant, but it stems from a simple inability to understand how a loving partner could do that to their spouse. But, as I said, that's just me, and we all have our own stance on what is acceptable.

Feb 29 12 - 9:35am
Bruce

It is amazing how idiotic some people can be. There is nothing unethical about a threesome; but why do people use it as an opportunity to behave unethically. Some very immature and selfish behavior going on.

Feb 29 12 - 11:03am
moops

The husband sticks his P in forbidden V. I hereby decree that the wife gets to stick her F into his A.

Mar 01 12 - 3:16pm
N.

This made me laugh...

Mar 03 12 - 7:36am
Peg Me

That seems like a great tradeoff!

Feb 29 12 - 1:01pm
Interesting

I would love to know what happened after "Heartbroken" showed the letter to her husband. Such a cliffhanger.

Feb 29 12 - 11:18pm
KDub

This! Absolutely this!!

Mar 04 12 - 2:18am
SARA

YES!!!! Please write back and let us know! Everyone is on your team! (I personally think you should DTMFA)

Feb 29 12 - 2:00pm
ZZ

Wow. This guy's wife agrees to do a threesome with one simple groundrule that he then flagrantly breaks. I would probably agree to shave 10 years off my life expectancy to have my wife agree to a MFF threesome. Not only does he insult his wife but guarantees no more threesomes. What an assclown.

Feb 29 12 - 3:17pm
moops

I know, right? He could write an article "How Not To Have Another Threesome Ever". Heck, his twosomes might be in jeopardy as well.

Feb 29 12 - 2:01pm
..::bEEp::..

I love the response to SLASH. Kind of like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Hold on there a$$hole, STFU for a minute."
I've never seen this happen in print before, though it's just as enjoyable. Shut 'em down Savage, shut 'em down.

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Feb 29 12 - 4:34pm
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Best Savage Advice Ever!!!!!!!!

Mar 01 12 - 1:54am
RB

From a woman's point of view, it's so nice to see a smart man going after another man who definitely is a motherfucker. And not only that, he did it in a very intelligent, comedic way. Brilliant Dan Savage. :)

Mar 01 12 - 4:23am
ashley

I disagree with Dan's response to Heartbroken. She clearly states that she didn't stop him because she didn't want to ruin it for him. In another words she let him do it. Doesn't that mean she broke her own rule and thus, brought on her own heartbreak? How does this then make him the"stupid motherfucker?" She has no one to blame but herself for what happened.

Mar 01 12 - 9:07am
gd anon

People will do a lot of things not to offend another person. And, in emotionally complicated situations like that, at the moment it's sprung on you, sometimes you'll agree to let someone cheat on you, physically hit you, or otherwise blatantly disregard your feelings and not make a scene, because it's in public (to some degree). That doesn't mean you've consented, it just means you haven't fought back yet.

Mar 01 12 - 3:47pm
Ami

Agreed with gd anon. Ashley sounds like a self-hating female. It is always our fault, right?

Mar 02 12 - 4:31pm
MRI

ashley, you are dumb. The fact that she didn't stop him doesn't change the fact that she set a boundary, and he violated it. That's not HER fault, anymore than it is her fault if she had said no, don't have sex WITH ME, and he had ignored her boundary there.

Mar 03 12 - 11:51am
RealMan

This whole thing is stupid. We'll have a threesome but you can't fuck her? What a bunch of namby pamby bullshit. "Please dear may I touch her right breast? Now may I touch her nipple?" It's sex. And in sex, somebody gets fucked. Or multiple people get fucked. Or somebody gets fucked by multiple people. Or all of the above.

Mar 03 12 - 2:43pm
ss

if he thought it was a namby pamby bullshit rule, then he shouldn't have agreed to it.

Mar 05 12 - 4:45pm
cincin

Yes. ss for the win.

Mar 18 12 - 5:26pm
Doroutheo

Tell your husband that I look up to him and that he is a great man. If you don't like it, why did you agree to it in the first place. Stop crying and let your husband fuck that bitch because that is what he really wants!!!

Jun 17 12 - 7:27am
Just a thought...

Yes he shouldn't have fucked this other woman....HOWEVER he is a man...in the heat of the moment...if there is a an open, willing pussy in front of him...especially strange pussy he is going to enter it (prefered without a condom)...I didn't catch anything about a condom (perhaps I missed it)
It's not his fault...it's impossible to stop at that point.

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