I actually agree w/oldmaid. Although I do find this album beautiful and genius, it's kind of disappointing that this generation is loosing their vcard so easily and young. It's not that nobody wanted to have sex with me & oldmaid when we were teens, it's just that it'd be classier to have people a little older modeling in the portraits.
"...It's not that nobody wanted to have sex with me & oldmaid when we were teens.."
Actuallllly, it probably was! anyway, since when has conceptual art ever tried to be 'classy' and used to fulfill some simpleton's idealistic norm? this is the 21st century dude, and this collection a valid representation of it.
I did, and someone definitely wanted to do it in our teens, my high school sweetheart. We were waiting until we were old enough and mature enough to handle the emotional consequences of sex and the physical consequences (like pregnancy). We started dating when we were 14 but didn't have sex until we were 21.
What? some of y'all's arguments are stupid because they're not even arguments - just insults. "You're a drunk teenage fuckup?" Really? ANYWAYS, This album isn't a representation of our entire generation, this is a collections of a few select individuals who weren't ashamed of telling their story. Some people lose it when their young, some people lose it when they're older. It's that simple. And furthermore, it's ART, it's supposed to shock, induce discussion and thought, and be truthful. What would be interesting about seeing a bunch of people with signs that said "25 - we were dating for 10 years," or "30 - on my honeymoon?"
Briefly, this is ridiculous. The average age at which people loose their virginity in the US is 19. Abroad it tends to be about the same, maybe a year or 2 younger. There is nothing wrong with teenage sexuality. Losing your virginity is often a perfectly thought out choice. The opinions voiced by many in the thread demonstrate the negative attitude towards sex which is, frankly, damaging to many teenagers. It means teenagers aren't educated. It means they sneak around. It means their sex isn't as safe. It makes them feel guilty. This needs to stop. Losing your virginity should be something you do when you think you're ready, whether that's at 25 and married or at 16. It needs to stop being characterized as a mistake. Further, we should recognize that losing your virginity around the ages shown is normal, which is probably why they came up.
(If this won't invalidate my opinion, which it shouldn't, you should know I'm a teenage virgin with a boyfriend of a year. I'm in this state because, frankly, he's not ready. I'm okay with that. If he decides he is I'm ok with that too.)
Obviously, everyone who reads Hooksexup and complains about "hipsters" works in finance or construction -- very non-hipster industries, and definitely didn't go to liberal arts college. i'm sure you're all 65 year old republican accountants. there's no way you resemble any of these people.
Hardly- I lost mine at 23, I AM 23 and I may be a little more clean cut but I'm happy that I was (and luckily still am) in love at the time. Oh and I went to a liberal arts college and somehow managed to avoid the hipster-dom fad. I don't hate all of them, just the pretentious ones. The work is still intriguing- just would be nice to see a bit more variety.
Actually, I'm an English and Art History major, mostly because I'm into modern art and contemporary novels, and I think this concept seriously lacks diversity. These people are very hipster-esque and the stories, while maybe funny, would be better with some depth. At least that's my humble opinion.
I lost mine right before my 18th birthday to the love of my life (I'm 21 now) and it actually was an embarrassing, funny story, but at least it means something to me. The reason this idea would be so poignant, is because losing one's virginity is significant to most people. The people in this shoot seem a little apathetic about the whole experience
really?how can anyone judge someone when they say theyve met the love of their life? im 19 with a 5 month old and im happily married. it doesnt matter what age, people get married at 40 and are miserable and divorce! shut your mouth you ignorant sob. these pictures, though they need diversity, are pretty unique in my opinion.
I would have probably gone limp too...her face is a boner killer. Words of advice for the 13-17 year old guys who read this, start off doggy if she's ugly.
Ha! I bet you resemble a jock strap. Have fun wallowing in your shit-covered den of immaturity. Looking forward to the day compassion bites you in the ass, motherfucker.
16 at my highschool girlfriend's house while her parents left us alone and went to kmart! we were so afraid they were going to come back home too soon. good memories. I still think about her sometimes...
I like this series. I think most of these are unique "13, a brothel in Belize" the one about the boyfriend in the basement who recently died of leukemia. Some are sweet some are funny, some are sad. The presentation is great too. a throwback to bob dylan (sort of) and the portraits are good. Bunch of naysayers today. It must be the dead of winter.
I'd love to read the occasional interview with people in their 30's or 40's... I've seen some TWS bits with people in their early 30s, but they always seem to be desperately hanging onto who they were in their early 20s.
When I first read hooksexup.com almost 10 years ago, the site was focused on photography. This is a beautiful album, and brings me back to why I originally started looking at the site daily. Discovering photographers, and seeing poignant, sexy shoots that weren't necessarily created for pornographic purposes.
Also,of course virginity gets brought up alot when you're talking about sex. And let's not forget that sex, also, is the basis for conversation at hooksexup.com. If you feel tired of the subject, don't read the article.
Clean. Clear. Well shot, well said. Is it groundbreaking? No. Did I click through the whole gallery? Yes. Nicely done, Hooksexup. Ya'll can post about virginity til I'm 80; it's a topic that never loses its intrigue.
I liked it. The girl who lost my boyfriend made my heart break.
Incidentally, I did not go to a LAC and I'm in finance, hahahaha. That said, I heart hipsters for trying to not look like they're trying. That shit takes effort.
I like this. The photography is stunning and the message is clear: sexuality is a spectrum and virginity is a subjective term. Fuck anyone who wants to judge. This makes me feel a lot better about losing my virginity to a boy named Matt in the front seat of his car. On Christmas Eve. It lasted a total of 3 minutes but I don't really regret it.
Yeah...boo hipsters. I followed a link from another site here. The concept sounded interesting. The result was boring.
@boring, I went to art college in Portland. Hipsters suck. Just like emo's sucked before them, and ravers before them. They're all trying so hard to be different from the norm that they've become identically unique.
Seriously, where's "29, Engineer, with a co-worker after happy hour. First time resulted in under performance but it turned into a great 'co-workers with benefits' relationship."
Hmm, an art school student with a jaded/condescending attitude who self-identifies as "yawnster" and just can't stand those boring hipsters. Definitely doesn't sound like a hipster himself.
Yeah, it's true, people complaining about hipsters tend to sort of fit the description themselves, but that's exactly the problem-- I really don't want to hear too much about the experiences of people like myself. What about the experiences of people who are nothing like the central Hooksexup readership? I'd love to hear more about what they're lives are like.
I was the girl who swore she would wait for sex until she found the man of her dreams. I stuck my nose up when my friends would swap stories about losing their virginities in highschool, in their basement, at 4:30 in the afternoon before their parents got home. Then, I turned 18, went to college, dated a nice (but boring) guy, and drank a bottle of champagne, and lost it in a hot tub in the mountains in Tennessee. Funny how life works out.
some people really don't like other people (cough, hipster haters, cough) i actually think that this is interesting, the one where the boyfriend died made me think
fascinating. i was 21, italy in a hotel & on vacation. the guy was much older. he wanted to stay in touch; i didn't. i'm still 21 and amused at my detachment from the whole thing, how not at all special it was.
Most people will have sex, everyone who has sex has a story about losing their virginity. People like to share common experiences, both for the experience of recognition/similarity and for the experience of particularity/difference. Virginity stories allow us to do that. And talk about sex, which is always pretty juicy.
Yo jeep Uhhh!!! The single most important thing to remember is that most peoples experiences differ a great deal.!.! Your a ignorant person!!! you said "everyone who has sex has a story about losing their virginity." ... Well I love sex and was way to young to remember my first time... I was only 7 or 8 !!! So no I don't remember my first time... Everyone needs to think before They talk or type... Thanks!!
First time was at midnight on January 1st, 2000. I am a dork, and it was really difficult waiting until then specifically for that, when the opportunity had come up weeks earlier.
Female. First time age 24. December 12, 2010. The boy is someone I really trusted, and was sort of falling in love with. He came quickly, but I liked him anyway. Then two weeks later he started seeming less interested in me and I broke it off.
My virginity story still makes me cringe. I never talk about it, ever. I wouldn't say I regret it though.
Re: Hooksexup/Virginity I'd like to see this segment stay and the damn virginity monologues be removed. They're all rehashed stories of shit I've heard a million times before from people I could see, touch and talk to. This is far more creative and more poignant in a quiet way. It'd be nice to feature some sex that wasn't about virginity, at what point do we embrace our sexual selves and move on from what was (or rather, wasn't).
I was 13. the guy i was suppost to have sex with a boy but he had to go home so i had sex with a friend that was also my ex. so anyways i didnt feel a thing and he didnt use a condom so i just figured i might be pregnant lol... funny stuff so all this happened in my friends old bedroom on an old couch with his parents down stairs... well any how a week later i got to gether with the one i was suppost to have sex with a we did it in the park in the dug out... i cried it hurt so bad his dick was huge... so i consider that when i losed my virginity
How do you remember that it was two days before christmas but not if you were 18 or 19? Thats a made up story by someone who probably lost it much closer to the date of their picture than they would like to admit.
i lost mine when i was about 19 with the man i eventually married. It was in his parents basement on this old couch. It was ok.... he was a bit too excited ... so not to much fun for me, but i was really nervous and even though we used a condom i was really freaked out that i could still possibly be pregnant. He has greatly improved since then... Yay for me!
On the back porch of my step mum's house, we are now waiting for it to be legal for us to marry. We are both males, but I have never been happier with anyone, He makes me laugh and smile when I don't want to, he can always just make everything better.
12 minutes ago ... in the library with a candle stick ... it was Mrs. Peacock. I have a feeling everyone here bitching about other people's choice to share their own experiences here are still virgins ... not by choice ... and they are not thrilled about it either. Take your overworked hands off your "keyboard of hate" and get back to wanking it to free porn tube sites. To everyone else who shared something besides complaints ... I read them and was entertained ... which is why we are all here anyway isn't it ...
I was 17 in my basement with my girlfriend. We had been dating for over a year and madly in love. I don't think I "lost" anything... merely just MADE love for the first time. I was really nervous but she made it took great care of me
Not a hipster, wasn't drunk, wasn't stoned... it just felt right
I agree with the first post. I am far from one to say I waited well into my 20's to lose my virginity but seriously... considering we have a show called teen mom....
I was 16 when i lost it to my boyfriend, 18 at the time.
He never asked for it but one night i told him i was ready.
It surprised him.
It was kinda funny, his sister had left her skateboard in the room and while he was trying to climb up into bed he slipped on it, i couldnt stop laughing. When i was younger i said i atleast wanted to wait until i was 18 but things turned out different. Well now im 18, almost 19 and 20 going to 21 and we are engage. The wedding can wait though lol until we both graduate college. Thats for sure!
I was 17. It was at a friend's house with my then-boyfriend, not 12 hours after I got back from an all-weekend church retreat. That was the last time I ever felt victimized by religion, simply because I'm a sexual being.
Yeah, it might be more interesting if people were over, say, 28. I'm 61 and lost mine at age 18 to a blond Italian guy in Venice. It wasn't nearly as romantic as it sounds. In fact, it was fairly awful.
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Why not make a series exclusively about people who lost it in their twenties? I'd find that more interesting than (drunk) teenage fuckups...
you're a dick, you can't invalidate people's experiences
oldmaid2be sorry no one wanted to have sex with you when you were a teenage fuckup...
oldmaid, YOURE a drunk teenage fuckup.
I actually agree w/oldmaid. Although I do find this album beautiful and genius, it's kind of disappointing that this generation is loosing their vcard so easily and young. It's not that nobody wanted to have sex with me & oldmaid when we were teens, it's just that it'd be classier to have people a little older modeling in the portraits.
"...It's not that nobody wanted to have sex with me & oldmaid when we were teens.."
Actuallllly, it probably was! anyway, since when has conceptual art ever tried to be 'classy' and used to fulfill some simpleton's idealistic norm? this is the 21st century dude, and this collection a valid representation of it.
Who actually loses it in their 20s?
I did, and someone definitely wanted to do it in our teens, my high school sweetheart. We were waiting until we were old enough and mature enough to handle the emotional consequences of sex and the physical consequences (like pregnancy). We started dating when we were 14 but didn't have sex until we were 21.
oldmaid: because then it wouldn't be honest.
What? some of y'all's arguments are stupid because they're not even arguments - just insults. "You're a drunk teenage fuckup?" Really? ANYWAYS, This album isn't a representation of our entire generation, this is a collections of a few select individuals who weren't ashamed of telling their story. Some people lose it when their young, some people lose it when they're older. It's that simple. And furthermore, it's ART, it's supposed to shock, induce discussion and thought, and be truthful. What would be interesting about seeing a bunch of people with signs that said "25 - we were dating for 10 years," or "30 - on my honeymoon?"
Briefly, this is ridiculous. The average age at which people loose their virginity in the US is 19. Abroad it tends to be about the same, maybe a year or 2 younger. There is nothing wrong with teenage sexuality. Losing your virginity is often a perfectly thought out choice. The opinions voiced by many in the thread demonstrate the negative attitude towards sex which is, frankly, damaging to many teenagers. It means teenagers aren't educated. It means they sneak around. It means their sex isn't as safe. It makes them feel guilty. This needs to stop. Losing your virginity should be something you do when you think you're ready, whether that's at 25 and married or at 16. It needs to stop being characterized as a mistake. Further, we should recognize that losing your virginity around the ages shown is normal, which is probably why they came up.
(If this won't invalidate my opinion, which it shouldn't, you should know I'm a teenage virgin with a boyfriend of a year. I'm in this state because, frankly, he's not ready. I'm okay with that. If he decides he is I'm ok with that too.)
*who weren't goddamned hipsters. Goddamn lack of proofreading.
Wow, on a different note, can we talk about how beautiful these portraits are? Goddamn. I say job well, well, well done.
agreed
@Cal - agreed. Tired of hipsters.
My god I hate nose rings
Obviously, everyone who reads Hooksexup and complains about "hipsters" works in finance or construction -- very non-hipster industries, and definitely didn't go to liberal arts college. i'm sure you're all 65 year old republican accountants. there's no way you resemble any of these people.
Hardly- I lost mine at 23, I AM 23 and I may be a little more clean cut but I'm happy that I was (and luckily still am) in love at the time. Oh and I went to a liberal arts college and somehow managed to avoid the hipster-dom fad. I don't hate all of them, just the pretentious ones. The work is still intriguing- just would be nice to see a bit more variety.
Actually, I'm an English and Art History major, mostly because I'm into modern art and contemporary novels, and I think this concept seriously lacks diversity. These people are very hipster-esque and the stories, while maybe funny, would be better with some depth. At least that's my humble opinion.
I lost mine right before my 18th birthday to the love of my life (I'm 21 now) and it actually was an embarrassing, funny story, but at least it means something to me. The reason this idea would be so poignant, is because losing one's virginity is significant to most people. The people in this shoot seem a little apathetic about the whole experience
How do you know you it's the love of your life? You are 21. Get some experience before you speak.
Don't be a condescending ass, unsheltered.
really?how can anyone judge someone when they say theyve met the love of their life? im 19 with a 5 month old and im happily married. it doesnt matter what age, people get married at 40 and are miserable and divorce! shut your mouth you ignorant sob. these pictures, though they need diversity, are pretty unique in my opinion.
"Prematurely ejaculated all over her vagina a few times" all over it? a few times? lolol. These are hilarious. Great pictures, too.
Latex allergy/went limp after two minutes: that's one minute and 45 seconds longer than most people his age!
I would have probably gone limp too...her face is a boner killer. Words of advice for the 13-17 year old guys who read this, start off doggy if she's ugly.
Ha! I bet you resemble a jock strap. Have fun wallowing in your shit-covered den of immaturity. Looking forward to the day compassion bites you in the ass, motherfucker.
15, in the back of a station wagon, in a thunderstorm. It was fun and new and I don't regret it either
16 at my highschool girlfriend's house while her parents left us alone and went to kmart! we were so afraid they were going to come back home too soon. good memories. I still think about her sometimes...
<3
I like this series. I think most of these are unique "13, a brothel in Belize" the one about the boyfriend in the basement who recently died of leukemia. Some are sweet some are funny, some are sad. The presentation is great too. a throwback to bob dylan (sort of) and the portraits are good. Bunch of naysayers today. It must be the dead of winter.
I'd love to read the occasional interview with people in their 30's or 40's... I've seen some TWS bits with people in their early 30s, but they always seem to be desperately hanging onto who they were in their early 20s.
These people are so ugly , they should be greatful anyone would fuck them ..YUCK
your an ass
Dan Dan the Nosebleed Man...
why is Hooksexup so fucking. obsessed. with. virginity.
When I first read hooksexup.com almost 10 years ago, the site was focused on photography. This is a beautiful album, and brings me back to why I originally started looking at the site daily. Discovering photographers, and seeing poignant, sexy shoots that weren't necessarily created for pornographic purposes.
Also,of course virginity gets brought up alot when you're talking about sex. And let's not forget that sex, also, is the basis for conversation at hooksexup.com. If you feel tired of the subject, don't read the article.
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Clean. Clear. Well shot, well said. Is it groundbreaking? No. Did I click through the whole gallery? Yes. Nicely done, Hooksexup. Ya'll can post about virginity til I'm 80; it's a topic that never loses its intrigue.
I liked it. The girl who lost my boyfriend made my heart break.
Incidentally, I did not go to a LAC and I'm in finance, hahahaha. That said, I heart hipsters for trying to not look like they're trying. That shit takes effort.
I was 18! First college boyfriend. No regrets!
Makes me feel better about being a virgin. 20.
22. Still waiting. -__-
23. Not yet. Pretty portraits though.
I like this. The photography is stunning and the message is clear: sexuality is a spectrum and virginity is a subjective term. Fuck anyone who wants to judge. This makes me feel a lot better about losing my virginity to a boy named Matt in the front seat of his car. On Christmas Eve. It lasted a total of 3 minutes but I don't really regret it.
Yeah...boo hipsters. I followed a link from another site here. The concept sounded interesting. The result was boring.
@boring, I went to art college in Portland. Hipsters suck. Just like emo's sucked before them, and ravers before them. They're all trying so hard to be different from the norm that they've become identically unique.
Seriously, where's "29, Engineer, with a co-worker after happy hour. First time resulted in under performance but it turned into a great 'co-workers with benefits' relationship."
Hmm, an art school student with a jaded/condescending attitude who self-identifies as "yawnster" and just can't stand those boring hipsters. Definitely doesn't sound like a hipster himself.
https://www.theonion.com/articles/two-hipsters-angrily-call-each-other-hi...
Yeah, it's true, people complaining about hipsters tend to sort of fit the description themselves, but that's exactly the problem-- I really don't want to hear too much about the experiences of people like myself. What about the experiences of people who are nothing like the central Hooksexup readership? I'd love to hear more about what they're lives are like.
*their lives. Christ, it's like I can't use proper grammar inside a comment box.
I was the girl who swore she would wait for sex until she found the man of her dreams. I stuck my nose up when my friends would swap stories about losing their virginities in highschool, in their basement, at 4:30 in the afternoon before their parents got home. Then, I turned 18, went to college, dated a nice (but boring) guy, and drank a bottle of champagne, and lost it in a hot tub in the mountains in Tennessee. Funny how life works out.
Hittin' the "streets," huh? What do you mean, you went to a few bars?
Yes. That's what hitting the streets means. What the fuck do you think they meant? Hitting them with a hammer?
Sophomore year in college with my brother's ex-girlfriend - she was also
some people really don't like other people (cough, hipster haters, cough) i actually think that this is interesting, the one where the boyfriend died made me think
fascinating. i was 21, italy in a hotel & on vacation. the guy was much older. he wanted to stay in touch; i didn't. i'm still 21 and amused at my detachment from the whole thing, how not at all special it was.
Most people will have sex, everyone who has sex has a story about losing their virginity. People like to share common experiences, both for the experience of recognition/similarity and for the experience of particularity/difference. Virginity stories allow us to do that. And talk about sex, which is always pretty juicy.
Yo jeep Uhhh!!! The single most important thing to remember is that most peoples experiences differ a great deal.!.! Your a ignorant person!!! you said "everyone who has sex has a story about losing their virginity." ... Well I love sex and was way to young to remember my first time... I was only 7 or 8 !!! So no I don't remember my first time... Everyone needs to think before They talk or type... Thanks!!
First time was at midnight on January 1st, 2000. I am a dork, and it was really difficult waiting until then specifically for that, when the opportunity had come up weeks earlier.
Female. First time age 24. December 12, 2010. The boy is someone I really trusted, and was sort of falling in love with. He came quickly, but I liked him anyway. Then two weeks later he started seeming less interested in me and I broke it off.
No more hipsters. Nose ring hates men. I'm done with this website.
My virginity story still makes me cringe. I never talk about it, ever. I wouldn't say I regret it though.
Re: Hooksexup/Virginity I'd like to see this segment stay and the damn virginity monologues be removed. They're all rehashed stories of shit I've heard a million times before from people I could see, touch and talk to. This is far more creative and more poignant in a quiet way. It'd be nice to feature some sex that wasn't about virginity, at what point do we embrace our sexual selves and move on from what was (or rather, wasn't).
How do you hack?
I was 13. the guy i was suppost to have sex with a boy but he had to go home so i had sex with a friend that was also my ex. so anyways i didnt feel a thing and he didnt use a condom so i just figured i might be pregnant lol... funny stuff so all this happened in my friends old bedroom on an old couch with his parents down stairs... well any how a week later i got to gether with the one i was suppost to have sex with a we did it in the park in the dug out... i cried it hurt so bad his dick was huge... so i consider that when i losed my virginity
Classy. again probably shouldn't be having sex if you can't spell supposed*
^ agreed. This story has troll written all over it, I can't imagine somebody being that stupid.
16 in my boyfriend's brothers bed. after we made pizzza and played video games :) ha.
How do you remember that it was two days before christmas but not if you were 18 or 19? Thats a made up story by someone who probably lost it much closer to the date of their picture than they would like to admit.
Age 15, he tried for 2 minutes and said "I can't get it in. You're too small". I looked up at him and said "That's because I'm a virgin dumbass."
Fuck hipsters.
Haters gonna hate...
14 at a new years party... I said no and he did it anyway.
16, my room at 5am before my then-boyfriend and I went to school
15, in an abandant pool house in the park behind my house on a summer afternoon
and I don't think you should have ever had sex if you don't know how to spell abandoned.
15, in my bed in my house on a summer afternoon while my parents werent home, lasted for half an hour, gooood memories
15 behind a movie theater I wasn't expecting to get that far but she said she was ready and I was horny.. That's all there is to it
i lost mine when i was about 19 with the man i eventually married. It was in his parents basement on this old couch. It was ok.... he was a bit too excited ... so not to much fun for me, but i was really nervous and even though we used a condom i was really freaked out that i could still possibly be pregnant. He has greatly improved since then... Yay for me!
On the back porch of my step mum's house, we are now waiting for it to be legal for us to marry. We are both males, but I have never been happier with anyone, He makes me laugh and smile when I don't want to, he can always just make everything better.
12 minutes ago ... in the library with a candle stick ... it was Mrs. Peacock. I have a feeling everyone here bitching about other people's choice to share their own experiences here are still virgins ... not by choice ... and they are not thrilled about it either. Take your overworked hands off your "keyboard of hate" and get back to wanking it to free porn tube sites. To everyone else who shared something besides complaints ... I read them and was entertained ... which is why we are all here anyway isn't it ...
Didn't mean to reply to Logan's comment meant to post as new comment.
I was 17 in my basement with my girlfriend. We had been dating for over a year and madly in love. I don't think I "lost" anything... merely just MADE love for the first time. I was really nervous but she made it took great care of me
Not a hipster, wasn't drunk, wasn't stoned... it just felt right
she made it great and took great care of me*
14 in a shed behind a k-mart i grew up to marry this guy and have his kids.
i was 18, just curious, and i stopped seeing the guy 2 weeks afterwords.
i want more! these are fantastic.
I agree with the first post. I am far from one to say I waited well into my 20's to lose my virginity but seriously... considering we have a show called teen mom....
I was 16 when i lost it to my boyfriend, 18 at the time.
He never asked for it but one night i told him i was ready.
It surprised him.
It was kinda funny, his sister had left her skateboard in the room and while he was trying to climb up into bed he slipped on it, i couldnt stop laughing. When i was younger i said i atleast wanted to wait until i was 18 but things turned out different. Well now im 18, almost 19 and 20 going to 21 and we are engage. The wedding can wait though lol until we both graduate college. Thats for sure!
*Hes 20 going to 21
I was 17. It was at a friend's house with my then-boyfriend, not 12 hours after I got back from an all-weekend church retreat. That was the last time I ever felt victimized by religion, simply because I'm a sexual being.
i lost it in a 3way
These are brilliant.
17. Still a virgin. Make it count, guys. Don't let it be something you regret.
Yeah, it might be more interesting if people were over, say, 28. I'm 61 and lost mine at age 18 to a blond Italian guy in Venice. It wasn't nearly as romantic as it sounds. In fact, it was fairly awful.
Now you say something