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Dear Miss Information,

I’m a twenty-three-year-old professional male who’s been browsing online personals. A lot of the women sound amazing. Better than I expected. However, I also see a lot of women who say stuff like, “Looking for a serious boyfriend,” or, “What I really want is to eventually be married.”

I want that, too, but there are limitations. I don’t want to waste anyone’s time, but I also don’t want to go out with someone who’s expecting me to be their boyfriend after the first date. I’ve turned away a couple of girls who had such wording in their profiles. This is them contacting me, not me contacting them. My friend who’s more experienced tells me that this is rare. Women don’t make the first move very often (on this particular site, at least) and that I’m being crazy.

What do you think? Am I really just commitment-shy and in denial? I wish I could tell women not to put this kind of stuff in their profiles. I’d be much less scared if you ladies kept things more open-ended. — Stops Before He Starts

Dear Stops Before He Starts,

You don’t like relationship talk in your online personals, I click away screaming at the slightest mention of sex. Does this mean I’m a prude? Hopefully not, considering I write this column, covering topics from cuckolding to transsexual escorts and which used to feature a marquee shot of me lookin’ all nakedpants.

I just find it to be a turnoff. I don’t feel the need to question it. Why would I? That’s what Internet dating is for. You see something in a profile you don’t like, you move on to the next. It sounds callous, but those post-work hours are valuable. Why go on a date hoping what someone says isn’t true when you could be on a date with someone who doesn’t use the B-word or have nuptials on the brain?

If it were something more nitpicky, if you were ruling a girl out because she mentioned the wrong book or band, then I might tell you to ease up. But it would be the same kind of situation if you were older and had a burning desire to settle down, purchase a hybrid, and pop out a couple of Brooklyn Kennedys and Jayden Sebastians, and therefore wanted to avoid women only interested in short flings. You’re twenty-three and just getting started. Go with what feels right. But if your experience is anything like everyone else’s, you’ll find dating online is an ongoing process of tweaking and adjusting your expectations.

Readers, have you ever reversed a position when it came to online profiles?

Dear Miss Information,

I had an epiphany recently: I seem to be the "last resort" or "backup plan" for women. I've never gone on a proper date with a woman I've asked out or pursued romantically, I just get strung along.

The only relationships I seem to have and the scant few dates I ever go on are with women who seem to have completely given up on finding a guy who has the qualities they're looking for. I actually had a lady friend say to me today, "I'm sick of guys. I actually think dating you wouldn't be so bad. You'll do, so wanna go out?"

I turned her down; I felt degraded. I knew that as soon as a more appealing guy came along I'd be yesterday's news before my ass even hit the curb. I've been there before and learned my lesson.

I'm certainly not God's gift to women, but I'm not a bad-looking guy. I've had an encouraging number of women tell me that I'm handsome, sharp, and stylish. I'm career-driven and get shit done. I flirt and play the dating game the best I know how, and I'm not a suck-up. So what is it? I'm at a loss. I have to be projecting something that's contributing to the problem.

My only theory is the immaturity of my age bracket — I just turned twenty-seven, and I feel more disconnected from my peers every day. I find most people my age kind of un-relatable.  I work very hard to put all of that aside, and give everyone a fair chance, but lately I've been discouraged.

Any advice for a guy who always feels like the fallback plan? — Captain Deferred

Dear Captain Deferred,

I’m not trying to inspire a mutiny, but I fail to see how one random remark from a female automatically makes you the backup plan. Are you sure this girl wasn’t kidding around or flirting when she made those comments? I know I’ve said stuff like that to guys, and guys have said stuff like that to me. The “I hate dating, you hate dating, let’s settle” bit is hardly original. It’s rom-com boilerplate. Either she trusts you enough to kid around or she likes you and is wooing you in an immature and roundabout way.

Let’s say I’m totally wrong, that I’m being a Pollyanna. Why would you let someone who is that outwardly bitchy and that insensitive make you feel "degraded?" An unkind come-on is something you brush off and move on from. Reserve your emotional energy — and the dramatic adjectives — for a real relationship.

Oh, that’s right: you don’t have those. You get strung along by women who wind up treating you like shit. Why is that? I don’t have the exact answer, but I think you hit on something big when you said, “I have to be projecting something that's contributing to the problem.”

I’ll take that, minus the word “projecting” and its incense-and-patchouli connotations. It’s too easy to blame something on vibes. They’re amorphous, hard to quantify. You can’t set up a “Vibe Chart” on your wall or have your best friend thump you on the arm when you’re slipping. Most people give up, pull the “I’m so misunderstood” card, and blame it on others’ unfair and unyielding perceptions.

What would happen if we took the unknown thing you're “contributing” to mean your behavior? From what I can tell, it might include one or more of the following:

  • Going after women who haven’t shown signs of being interested.
  • Continuing to pursue said women, despite getting negative signals.
  • Being afraid of rejection to the point where you fail to take any risks or move so slowly that you position yourself as the asexual friend.

You could also be running with the wrong crew. Thirty is the new twenty, or so the Jay-Z song says, but there are people in their late twenties who aren’t frivolous. Could it be that you’re trolling the same haunts with the same friends and expecting to find a meaningful connection? Don’t get me wrong, it could happen. I met my beau at a grody East Village joint that smells like a urinal cake. I hadn’t been to that urinal cake in months because I'd been trying to write more and drink less. I know this is hypocritical, considering I just discounted the karma stuff above, but I do think the universe rewards you when you break patterns. Even half-assed attempts. Why not pick something from the list above or your own if you think I’m way off base — and give it everything you’ve got? Best of luck, Captain.

Comments ( 18 )

Re: the reversal of a position when it comes to online profiles. Yeah, it happened to me - i went out for some time with someone who, on their profile, stated they were looking for a woman to peg them. Normally i would run away from that sort of thing, but it was in something how he stated his desire, without crassness or fear that made me want to go out with him, even though i had never really thought about doing it before. Turns out i never got the chance (an ex came back into the picture), but he ended up being a really normal, open minded guy who i had great sexual chemistry with.After being with a few long term partners who were very vanilla in their sexuality, it made me open to meeting people i would normally write off as being too intimidating sexually. If someone is straightforward about their needs and otherwise seems like a cool person, i'd give them a shot now.
phineas commented on Oct 12 09 at 3:47 am
The reason that women put things like that on their profiles is because they are sick of meeting men who just want to fuck around, and there are a lot of men on dating websites who want to do just that. Most likely they aren't looking to settle for someone after one date, but they are making it clear that they are looking for something more than to be just another notch on some guy's bedpost. If you don't want to waste anyone's time, then you probably aren't looking for a longterm relationship anyway.
LB commented on Oct 12 09 at 12:48 pm
Stops before he starts, while you obviously don't want to be someone's boyfriend after the first date, it also doesn't sound like you're browsing the personals for a one night stand either, and I don't think that makes you all that different from the ladies' profiles you've been browsing. "Looking for a serious boyfriend" does not mean "YOU will be boyfriend after the first date OR ELSE," it just means that these women want to meet a range of people that they can see potential in to develop into something more serious, as a natural process, and not someone to just be a fuck buddy. If that sounds like what you're going for, then I'd encourage you to not be frightened off by the boyfriend word.
Birdy commented on Oct 12 09 at 1:42 pm
I agree with "the universe rewards you when you break patterns" statement. When you take a new street to work or start dating blue collar guys or start playing tennis instead of badminton, your eyes open, your sense of smell becomes sharper and your ears perk up. You actully start making contact with other human beings rather than glancing away. That's how you end up meeting that guy/girl in the corner. Nothing magic. Why do you think you meet more people when you travel?
NU commented on Oct 12 09 at 2:34 pm
Women write that because they feel the clocks ticking. Their dating market value diminishes drastically with age and the opportunity to land a quality man also decreases exponentially the older a woman gets. I'm sure someone will post an exception where a great woman found the perfect man at 50, but thats the exception and not the rule. Young attractive women have their pick of men, as they get older they feel entitled to the same and don't understand why all of a sudden they are being dumped and they aren't the ones doing the dumping. Thats when the search for "serious boyfriend" begins, except these serious boyfriends want the next generation of younger women and really don't have much interest in the entitled older women who demand the attention they were used to when younger, but are no longer justified to recieve.
ROD commented on Oct 12 09 at 2:54 pm
Wow, ROD, your level of hostility towards older women is astounding. The resentment emanating from your words makes me think that your Neanderthal perspectives aren't bringing you what you want in life. Women are only justified to receive attention from men when they're fertile? Geez. You should go on Craigslist, look at the casual encounters section of any major city, and see how many men in their 20s or early 30s are "looking for an older woman." I'm 27, but I plan to have men panting at my door when I'm twice that age!
JVG commented on Oct 12 09 at 3:37 pm
Apparently, Rod's biological clock is ticking, and his baby fever is so strong that it actually makes him cranky when he likes a woman but then finds out that she doesn't want to have his babies. Rod, it's okay to want to be a dad, but that doesn't mean you have to be nasty to women who aren't into procreating. You'll find your special babymama out there who will give you that bundle of joy you're yearning for, and you'll feel much, much better. Me, I'll be at the club with my barren uterus and 23-year-old boytoy.
anathema commented on Oct 12 09 at 4:24 pm
Just the phrase "dating market value" makes me think that's someone who's been attending too many "How to Pick Up Women" seminars.
Lisa commented on Oct 12 09 at 4:25 pm
Stop Before He Starts, as other posters have said this is usually a way of not wasting time with men who do not have the same intention. How many people do we date for a long time before we discover they don't want kids or don't believe in marriage? (Which is fine as long as you feel the same way.) Most of the women aren't looking for an immediate commitment, just someone who's honest about their beliefs.
EJ commented on Oct 12 09 at 7:10 pm
re @ROD's post: My feelings on it are completely divergent but I hold both: 1. I agree. I'm a 42 year old woman and that pretty much describes my own experience, I'll admit. Under cover of anonymity of course. 2. Everytime I've read this in a post, anywhere on the internet, it's basically a boilerplate troll by a bitter individual who seems to have made it his mission to post said troll in dating sites and columns wherever possible. Yes, ROD, this may be the rule, but it's nothing we don't already know, and we live in a world of exceptions. And the question asked is usually (actual or implied) "what can I do about it," not "why?"
tinymouse commented on Oct 12 09 at 8:45 pm
I'd just like to go on the record as liking that previous photo of Erin looking all nekkid. Not that you saw anything, just tremendously appealing.
Cat Brother commented on Oct 13 09 at 7:26 pm
"The Universe rewards you when you break patterns..." The best line in this Q&A article!!
FS commented on Oct 14 09 at 10:04 pm
I have to tell you I am 43 and get more attention from men now than i did when I was 23, or 33. Maybe it's because I look younger, but I don't think so. Most people reach the realisation at some point that life doesn't always work out how you expect it to..and that an open mind and listening to your instinct is good. To that ROD guy. I wouldn't touch him with a fifty foot pole. Charmless arseholes are always a turn off, however young and entitled they are.
Emily Thom commented on Oct 15 09 at 8:39 am
ROD, no offense but you're kind of a knob.
Fly commented on Oct 17 09 at 3:28 pm
ROD is a knob, but i think that he is basically right. however, i do think that older guys chase younger women not because these women act entitled, but because men are biologically much more attracted to young "fertile" women (and are less threatened by them). this totally sucks, but that doesn't make it untrue. and i definitely take exception to rod's concept of "justified attention." also, to EJ, of course you (and most women your age) are well aware of this phenomenon, but my experience is that vast majority of women under 33 are not conscious of this. many think that they'll be hotties forever just like michelle pfeiffer and phyllis diller...
jasperson commented on Oct 17 09 at 11:20 pm
To ROD: HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Gosh, thanks for that drivel. You really made me laugh. Now listen up youngster. One fine day you might get lucky enough to meet a woman like me. I'm in my forties and a little bit chunkier than in my twenties but I'm the sexiest I've ever been. And that sexy is part of what keeps not one but two exceptional, accomplished and handsome men in love with me. Maybe if you saw me you'd think I was one of those past her prime women. Pretty but aging. But if you think for a second an accomplished, smart and incredibly desirable woman such as myself would be interested in your pedestrian bitter meanderings, you're in for a shocker. I was smoking, raging hot when I was younger but that hotness got me creeps like you who viewed women as having a 'market value' instead of a human value. Thank goodness for those experiences because guys like you taught me to ignore guys like you. Instead, I looked for men who would value me not for my looks but for my character, for my humor, for my intelligence, my love of exceptional sex and my refusal to buy into the crap that Madison avenue loves to shovel. I found one when I was in my early thirties and the other in my early forties. Waaaaaaaaaaaaay past my 'prime' and when my body started showing some wear around the edges. Market value? I'll show your comment to my husband and he'll get a giggle out or it two. My boyfriend as well while the three of us cuddle in bed tonight. Thanks again for the laugh, ROD. Bless your heart.
Ro commented on Nov 02 09 at 2:54 am
Ro: I love you :) Also, re: have I reversed a position when it came to online profiles? Yes, indeed. I grew up Catholic and tried out lots of online dating sites, both "secular" or sites for Catholics. I got sick of the people I found, and even dated a guy who's currently in the seminary. So, I tried another online site after dumping the seminary student and being single for awhile. I still indicated in my preferences that I wanted a Catholic/Christian. And when I couldn't find "matches" that way, I looked around at other profiles. And found my real match. An atheist/agnostic who majored in Philosophy. We got married in Oct. of 2008 :)
Bee's Knees commented on Dec 09 09 at 1:03 pm
I'm 37 AND have a disability AND I'm a big girl ...and I have YOUNG men hitting on me all the time. Not only the same age or even younger than my son, but once a kid he actually went to school with. I'm pretty, but I'm not "smoking". What I do have is confidence, self assurance and a mind of my own - younger guys like that, they feel you can "teach" them something. I'm not into it myself, but the old stereotypes of the older women scrambling for companionship...BUSTED.
Julie commented on Apr 17 10 at 1:51 am

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