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I'm twenty-nine-years old. How can I lose my virginity?


by Cait Robinson

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Dear Miss Info,

My guy and I have known each other for three and a half years and been dating for two years, long-distance — he lives on another continent. We love each other a ton and get along great, but we've only ever been physically in the same place for two weeks at a time, every few months. I'm now graduating from grad school; he'll still be in school over there for another year. The hope is for him to eventually get transferred over here, through his job. So my question is whether or not I should move there right now.

On the one hand, I feel like this is the time for me to really start my career here, especially since this is where I want to live long-term. Moving there would mean putting things on hold for at least a year and possibly letting my skills deteriorate — I wouldn't be able to get much work in my field over there. And it's risky to put my career on hold to go be with someone who I've only been with for such short periods of time. On the other hand, I don't know if we can survive another year being long-distance without knowing when we're going to be together for sure, and I'm the one who is free to move right now. He wants me to be able to pursue my career, but he is also miserable being apart. Should I seize the opportunity now and move there for a year to see if we're actually good together? Or should I work on my career now and hope that if we really want to be together, we'll make it through another year?

— Skill Set Half-Life

Dear SSHL,

All right: on our left, we have "miserable, with a paycheck," and on our right we have "taking Valiums and baking pies to kill time." Pick the pies! Pick the pies!

I'm sort of joking. In all seriousness, there's a ton of really meaty middle-ground here. If you're willing to put yourself in potentially uncomfortable situations (i.e. move to another continent to give a relationship a shot), you can have your Valium pies and eat them too. Let's say you decide to move there. I say go for it — with the following provisos:

• Career development doesn't need to be a linear thing. You don't say what your industry is, but even if you can't find a job in your field, you can absolutely acquire skills that will pay off later. If you're a writer/editor, take a web-design class; if you're a biologist, get a job at a botanical garden. Study a foreign language regardless. Broaden the lens of what might make you employable. You may lose steam in some areas, but a year abroad, if done correctly, can bolster your employability, not sink it.

• Have an exit strategy. This means do not sign a lease. Do not get drunk and "ironically" marry your boyfriend. Even if you decide to live together, make sure you have enough money to fly home if things (somehow) get bad. Sure, it may sound paranoid, but it's better to have $2,000 untouchable in your bank account than to be stranded.

• Be prepared to make your own community. The biggest bummer of being abroad, much less moving abroad for a significant other, is feeling like a friendless loser. Pre-game your trip by researching book clubs, meet-ups, Dungeons and Dragons leagues — anything that allows you a life outside of your boyfriend.

• And, of course, talk it out. Predictable, I know! Make sure both you and he know what you're getting into, in realistic terms. Make sure you're both clear on trajectory: if you make X sacrifice and expect him to make Y concession in the future, talk it out now before it happens.

Ultimately, one year of your life won't make or break your career, as long as you remain active and engaged with that year. Make sure you're excited about whatever plans you make, rather than feeling like you're settling. As long as you don't disappear into a haze of affection and baking, whatever you decide should work out fine.

Dear Miss Information,

I'm a twenty-nine-year-old woman. I'm a virgin and I've never really been kissed. Most people out there have given me endless tips on finding "The One." But I don't want to get married. I just want to get laid!

I have little to no sexual experience beyond a couple of frat-party dance-floor makeouts and one drunken high-school blowjob. I've never had a sexual experience with a man in bed. Vibrators and internet porn have been very good friends of mine. I dropped out of college when I was twenty and any and all momentum I had going stopped. I stayed in the same town and my self-esteem took a blow. There wasn't much traffic leading up to that, but at least there was a consistent pace. I admit I'm insecure and see that I have control issues, but I do meet single men and recently joined dating sites. I am a student again and have always been good at casual flirting.

But I get the same old advice: dress cute! Be confident! Make the first move! Okay, okay, okay, I get it. I make my own fate. But, seriously, I can't take it much longer! That strategy seems reasonable because people assume I'm just trying to get myself married. I mean, I'm twenty-nine —why would I be asking for tips on how to pop my cherry?

I've never had a man really want to kiss me, touch me, fuck me, and let me kiss, touch, fuck him. It would be ideal for an aggressive, direct man to appear and help me out, but that wish is just another delay tactic. It seems to me that getting a little action would validate me — for myself — as a person men want to sleep with. Should I just continue to dress cute and flirt and send emails on dating sites, hoping that one coffee date will lead to another and then eventually a tender evening under the sheets? Or should I head for the bars? Propose a little experimenting with someone I already know? Take out an ad on Craigslist?

Counseling for emotional baggage: done. Online-dating profile: done. Cleavage and lipstick: done. But what should I do now?

— Betty Boop

Dear Betty Boop,

It sounds like you've got a good grasp on this issue, and you've even got a solid dose of humor about yourself. Gold stars on gold stars. So here's my question for you: are you enjoying any of this? If you're not, jettison it. Push-up bra digging into your ribs? Give it to Goodwill. Lipstick drying out your lips? Trash can. Find the internal compass buried underneath the advice chatter, and go with that. Ultimately, you can pick up men anywhere. If the bar scene feels like a slog, or a bass-thumping means to an end, don't waste your time there. Hang out where you want to hang out, and talk to people you want to talk to (regardless of whether or not you also want to bang them). That authenticity will take you farther than tequila shots.

Now, let's come back to this "low self-esteem" business. Self-esteem is not necessary for getting laid, but it is necessary for attracting the kind of people you want to get laid with. Take this line: "A little action would validate me... as a person men want to sleep with." I get the validation issues, for sure, but "I'm not worth sleeping with" is the kind of message that seeps from your pores, meaning even interested guys might sense it and turn away. You also say you've never had a guy want to be with you, which seems like an issue of perception (i.e. how you remember the event) rather than reality. You're in counseling to work on the self-esteem, which is great; now set your sights higher. You deserve an honest connection.

Because you asked, here's the secret to getting a guy to do you, courtesy of my friend Sam, who was reading over my shoulder: "Stick your tongue down his throat and say, 'Want to come back to my place?'" (Sam is a national treasure.) Let me add some nuance to his point. Getting any guy into bed isn't really the hard part. Getting what you need from the interaction is. Actual validation — the lasting, worthwhile kind — comes from respect, not just attention. Shift your search away from "warm-blooded male," and start looking for "a guy who respects me and wants to do me." Everybody deserves to have someone around whom they feel safe and comfortable. Setting these standards does not mean you're seeking marriage; it means you think well of yourself. That's the kind of message you want to telegraph.

Is Sam's recommendation not working for you? Try Hooksexup Dating instead.

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Commentarium (35 Comments)

Apr 22 12 - 2:17am
mmm

Absolutely spot-on advice for Betty Boop.

Apr 22 12 - 1:45pm
boop

it actually works! ( iam proof)

Apr 22 12 - 4:07am
indeed

Great advice to both letter-writers, nice one.

"Authenticity will take you farther than tequila shots" - classic. And so, so true.

Apr 22 12 - 9:58am
Mr.Mm

Damn!...and there I was about the market my Authenticity brand tequila...

Apr 22 12 - 10:16am
DG

A word of advice for Betty Boop that follows on the advice above re. validation. I was 22 when I lost my virginity, and at the time, it felt like validation - I'd lost 30lbs, travelled abroad and was feeling pretty confident. But I wish I'd waited, because it was just that - getting laid and feeling like I was the type of girl that guys wanted to bang. Now, at 29, I'm with a man who actually loves, respects and adores me and, since I was his first, it hurt him that I'd been with someone else and it had meant nothing. I'm not really that conservative, and I don't think that sex has to wait till marriage or anything like that, but if you've waited this long, I recommend waiting a bit longer and finding someone with whom you connect on more than just a physical level.

Apr 22 12 - 2:32pm
@DG

Wait, it hurt your bf NOW that 7 years ago you slept with someone!? Don't regret what happened 7 years ago (you lost weight, were starting to feel more confident, were abroad...) because it sounds like you did wait for when you were ready & that stage in life has nothing to do with him. It's completely unrealistic for your bf to expect you to be a virgin (unless you met at an evangelical singles event). I get the gist of what you're saying, but it's really bad that your bf is making you feel ashamed of something that has nothing to do with him. He's not entitled to that AT ALL.

Apr 22 12 - 5:05pm
Br

He may not be entitled to it, but I can certainly understand the sentiment. When I met my boyfriend he wasn't a virgin and I was. I don't try to make him feel ashamed of it, but he knows I would have preferred him to lose it with me. And I'm tired of the whole 'it has nothing to do with your significant other' bit (as far as your "number"/previous partners go). Believe it or not your sexual history is relevant if you decide to really settle down long-term with somebody and you owe them the information which could affect their health.

Apr 22 12 - 5:43pm
Lee

No. You owe them actual information about your sexual health, which comes from tests at the doctor, not your little black book. And you owe them that whether or not you intend to settle down long-term.

Apr 22 12 - 11:04pm
from elsewhere

@Lee - yes, this. Nicely.

@DL - you're entitled to feel how you like, of course, but perpetuating the over-valuation of virginity is reinforcing the problem, not helping with a solution.

I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it seems that the mainstream in the rest of the western world does not have a hangup about this like American culture does. It's like women being topless at regular beaches - such a big deal in the USA, but so not an issue pretty much everywhere else (apart from religious fanatics or serious conservatives, who are everywhere - I'm talking about mainstream). I just can't imagine even having this discussion in Europe, Israel, South Africa, Australia, etc. Certainly not in New Zealand!

Apr 23 12 - 12:39am
Kevin

I was born in the US and live here and yep, we're way screwed-up over-valuing virginity. Goes with our Puritanical roots I guess. And how it's ok for our entertainment to show lots of shooting, but nudity, oh my, now that's bad for you to see. Buns not guns! ;)

Apr 23 12 - 4:54am
from elsewhere

I love it, "buns not guns" - we should hold a demo!

Apr 23 12 - 9:32am
DG

@DG - I never said my boyfriend makes me feel ashamed - he doesn't - just that our relationship is such that I know he wishes we had been each other's firsts. He knows it's his issue - not mine, and nothing I can change, but for my own sake and completely in retrospect, I wish I'd waited until it was with someone who loved and respected me, instead of feeling that I was validating myself as a 'desirable woman' by sleeping with the first guy that gave me the time of day. Incidentally, @from elsewhere and @Kevin - I'm American with an evangelical background who forgets to shut the shades and doesn't squirm when faced with communal changing rooms/nude beaches/etc, but my boyfriend is a libral European atheist, who wont walk from the bedroom to the bathroom in his boxers...

Apr 23 12 - 12:48pm
cc

whoa! i would not be comfortable in dg's shoes. if you're 29, we can incur that guy is a virgin at 29ish? and getting fussy over a tussle almost 10 years ago? yowza. i would be running away from that guy asap, but i was never comfortable with the sex-shy guys. also i doubt it meant "nothing" to you!
i can also empathize with just wanting to not be a virgin anymore. i wasn't super wild about the first dude, but it wasn't an awful experience, i had fun at the time and was glad to leave with a v-card punch so i could continue life normally without it being a "thing".
if you want to punch the card, punch it! it's your card, not some magical mystery future soulmate's card.

Apr 23 12 - 8:27pm
from elsewhere

Hello DG, thanks for that reply.

On virginity, almost all the real world options are actually somewhere between waiting for The One and "sleeping with the first guy that gave me the time of day" as you put it. I'm sorry if the latter is what you actually did, but I don't actually see anyone here advocating plucking a random off the street who passes some minimal politeness test and fucking him. This discussion is lot more nuanced than that, and a polar straw man argument doesn't get us anywhere. I think what most of us are saying is that there are lots of options for handling this that are in the realm of finding someone you like, trust and are attracted to and getting it on in a warm, safe and sexy way. I actually think that's what you're saying in your closing sentences of your original post too, but finding someone you feel close to and comfortable with is not the same as waiting for the long-term prospect (and continuing to build up this completely patriarchal mechanism of control of feminine sexuality into something that actually signifies something about you as a person).

On exposure, I am glad to hear you're not hung up on bodies, either yours or others, but I was commenting not on you but on the American mainstream which does seem to have a lot of squeamishness about it. I'm not saying there's not lots of titillation and maladjustment elsewhere, there is: it's just that nobody freaks out when you can see someone's boobs from the street on city beaches in lots of parts of the world (happens all day, every sunny day where I live), whereas that would end up as a Hooksexup news story if it happened in some parts of the US, is my impression. But I only lived there for a couple of years, so perhaps I am wrong about that.

Apr 22 12 - 11:13am
nope

SSHL, I think there was a similar problem last week, but seriously -- how could you get meaningful advice without letting Miss Info know your career field, or the countries we're talking about here? I don't know what the concern was, but you really limited your ability to get worthwhile input. I think Cait gave wonderful advice, but it could have been even better if you hadn't been so vague.

Apr 22 12 - 1:24pm
JCF

I can't imagine that "I'm a 29-year-old woman looking for no-strings sex" would fail for very long. Are you in a really small town where everyone knows each other? If so, it's road trip time!

Apr 22 12 - 3:32pm
fdafsf

What? Am I still on the planet Earth? A 29-year-old woman wants to have sex with any random guy, but can't? How is that even possible? Come to Los Angeles, honey. Not only will you be able to lose your virginity, but you might be able to make a lot of money doing it if you're OK with being filmed during the act.

Apr 22 12 - 6:02pm
mmm

I wonder if you're serious or if you're trolling. If you had actually read the letter, you would see that it's not as simple.

Apr 22 12 - 6:23pm
fdafsf

"But I don't want to get married. I just want to get laid!"

Nah, I had actually read the letter. It is as simple.

Apr 22 12 - 4:43pm
wb

i think to clarify Sam's comment a bit: it sounds like betty boop just needs to state her intentions. I've only really dabbled with ok cupid, but one of the nice things about the okcupid coffee date is you get to know ahead of time whether or not you'll have at least a couple things to talk about, and afterwards, you'll know whether or not you could talk about those things unawkwardly. I would argue that the end of a nice coffee date is actually the best time for betty boop to strike. If losing her virginity to someone she'd consider dating, but not necessarily as one step on the short road to being with The One is her goal, then the 'just had a pleasant conversation with this chill guy' seems like an ideal time to just say 'hey are you doing anything for the next while? you're cute and i think we should go back to my place.' It strikes me that some of Boop's trouble is that she seems to be waiting for it to happen *to* her, but doesnt know how to go about being proactive. ending a meet-cute coffee with a simple statement of attraction and 'i think we should go back to my place,' particularly with a 'yes i'm being cheeky' smile is a nice balance of forward but not desperate.

Apr 22 12 - 8:37pm
Eponine

I'm sick of these I'm still a virgin advice giving. If you are a virgin and you don't want to be, then go for it. Losing your virginity is like going to a job interview, don't you just want to get through it and hope it goes well. Of course you are nervous, but let it happen and move on.

Apr 22 12 - 8:46pm
Lawrence

PLEASE SELL YOUR VIRGINITY AND BUY A HOUSE. (and my captcha is an image of 2 scrabble tiles.. wtf)

Apr 23 12 - 12:11pm
LV

LW1 - I totally disagree with Cait on this one. Get your career going - that first year after grad school is key to get going, and a one year hiatus will put you at the back of the pack. You will lose momentum, and you won't realize until years later how much that time cost you. Put yourself, and all the hard work you've done for your own life ahead of the relationship - if it's to be, it will be there in a year, you'll be established, and possibly in a position to help your boyfriend find work here that's meaningful.

Really, really - don't cave in to some romantic notion here. Be a hard headed pragmatist, be true to yourself, respect your efforts. If it doesn't work out overseas, not only will you have that disappointment, but resentment over losing valuable time in the work world, where connections are everything.

Apr 23 12 - 8:39pm
from elsewhere

Depends a lot on what the profession is, probably, so I concede there may be some fields where the continuity is important. In many other fields, though, it is quite possible that maintaining networks remotely for a year and gaining great life experience would be a better move, career wise, as well as personally.

And really, when else in life would be a better time to live somewhere else and get outside your own world view for a finite period, with a plan to come back and put that personal growth to use?

Carpe diem! Get out there and enjoy the world beyond your familiar horizons - this too is a pragmatic option.

Apr 23 12 - 1:13pm
..::bEEp::..

Dungeons and Dragons Leagues FTW!

Apr 24 12 - 4:11pm
VOR

Even though I haven't played with anyone other than my own wife and children in decades, seeing this mentioned as an option put a smile on my face.

Apr 23 12 - 11:43pm
A similar boat

I was in the same boat as Boop up until a month ago. Age 25, still a virgin, and wondering when Mr. Right would come along. Well that all changed when I had too much to drink one night, and something just came over me and I thought, fuck it, I'll sleep with this guy, probably never see him again and get this whole "virgin" thing behind me and keep on looking for someone I really care about. I live in a small town and he was visiting and just aggressive (and cute) enough to convince me to take him home. And yes, Sam's advice is pretty spot on. He had no clue he took my virginity, which is fine because after years of masterbating, Cosmo and late night girl talk, it turns out I did know exactly what to do.

I don't know if I'd recommend it for everybody, but after a few weeks, I'm glad it happened. For years, sex and all the mysteries that came with it hung in the back of my mind. And then each year as I turned older I'd think, damn, I'm a 22 year old virgin, and so on. Now that I think of it, I'm glad it was a one-night-stand with someone I'll never see again instead of someone in town who ends up blowing me off. I'm not saying I'm going to now be the queen of one night stands, but now that it's done with I feel like I can go out there with more confidence and really focus on finding someone I connect with instead of focus on finding a guy who's not weirded out by a 24 year old virgin.

Apr 24 12 - 3:03pm
old guy

Cait was (unusually) completely wrong on LW1.
As is from elsewhere. Did neither of you read the following sentence?
"Moving there would mean putting things on hold for at least a year and possibly letting my skills deteriorate — I wouldn't be able to get much work in my field over there."
So curious as to the "many fields" from elsewhere thinks this wouldn't be a detriment....even if Lw1 is in grad school for Doily-Making, next year's crop of grads are going to have the advantage since their skills will be in peak form, as opposed to having possibly deteriorated, and thus next year's grads will get those Doily-Making gigs.
LW1, you've been in school for some 18 or 19 years of your life, with the past few preparing you for your desired field. And now you're willing to throw that all away? Good luck.
As someone who actually does interview and hire people, when I see a resume with a year off without even being able to work in the field, it would have to take an amazing story for me not to just say "Thank you for your time" and go on to the next candidate. And I work in the arts! But "I decided to let me skills deteriorate for a year and not do any work in my field because I wanted to live with my boyfriend on another continent"??? Um, that's nice and "thank you SO much for your time." You're not getting the job. I'll hire the person with the non-deteriorated skills.
Carpe diem is nice in the movies. But in the real world, where jobs are at a premium? Not so much.
LW1: worry about your career first. If your relationship is strong, it can survive another year. Tell me this: what happens if the hope that he eventually gets transferred here doesn't materialized? Then you're really fucked. Or you can just give up on your career hopes and become the good wifey....

Apr 26 12 - 8:41am
from elsewhere

So the purpose of life is ... to work? Well, old guy, I suspect we're just too different to do anything other than talk past each other. This discussion seems to boil down to personal philosophy about what you do with your short allotment.

I understand your argument and respect its internal logic. (Although your blanket dismissal of applicants who might have had interesting things to add seems fairly limited and limiting to me - I have no doubt you are dismissing promising candidates because you just can't read the potential, with your blinkers on. But then, just about every hirer does that.) I just don't think your imperative to jump on the treadmill at the first possible moment actually connects all that well with other priorities in life, which, for me, are just as important.

Experiencing another culture at a natural breakpoint and trying to take the opportunity to extend yourself as a person seems like a pretty great idea to me, but I'm not as career-driven as a lot of people, nor as anxious about my capacity to find something in the job market that values my choices and breadth as a person.

And, significantly, I'm not living in the USA and trying to compete in that job market, so I freely admit I might be talking from a position of greater luxury that people in the States feel they can afford. If it's just too tight to consider doing something life-enriching then I defer to that reality. But I still find it fucken sad.

Apr 26 12 - 1:33pm
LV

She's not saying she is giving up a dead end job. She is at the BEGINNING of a career, has invested years and probably lots of money in school, both college and graduate school. And now, it's all Carpe Diem? How does that make any sense?

Can a trip abroad be a life enhancing experience? Yes.

But look at what she actually wrote - they haven't spent that much time in the same place, and making a commitment for a year to a new culture, no support network besides the bf, while simultaneously derailing a career path seems like a real challenge.

I agree with old guy, and stand by my comment above.

And - Cait's comment to "Pick the pies!" smacks of gender bias. Like it's okay fro women to deny their intellectual abilities and the investment in their future for some romanticized notion that they will have love and cooking in a foreign country, with no consequences to their intellectual or professional life.

If LW1 had been a guy, what would she have said?

Apr 27 12 - 12:33am
from elsewhere

Hi.

Like I said to old guy, I suspect this is a difference in personal philosophy and underlying attitudes.

So to answer your first question: How does carpe diem NOT make sense? At any point in life? You're on this planet for twenty minutes, you really ought to use it well.

For some that means getting started asap on the career ladder - that's fine if that's your world view. For others it is taking the opportunity to experience something that can be hard to pursue once you're on a progression and have other obligations. (And not "a trip abroad", but LIVING abroad - a big difference, both in terms of what it offers you and of how hard it is to do in middle life). It's just a different point of view, a different set of priorities.

For me, I just don't harbor the ambition to somehow accrue life points by paying off a mortgage early or scoring a corner office before the next person. I could care less. I suspect St Peter isn't moved by that stuff either. If that's what floats your boat, then I guess you know what to do (and in that case you're probably not writing to Miss Information for advice). I think it comes down to figuring out what you priorities are.

LV, nothing I said depends on LW1 being in a dead-end job. And nothing Cait said depends on gender. I think you're building a straw man there.

Apr 27 12 - 12:32pm
LV

I was really taken aback by the pie comment - maybe if the comment was, hey, go abroad, volunteer, look at art, learn a language, that sort of thing, it wouldn't have rubbed me the wrong way. That particular comment sounded sexist, like the only thing a girl could do in another country is sit around making pies, waiting for the bf to come home from school.

Because otherwise, I'm a total advocate for experience and adventure, and agree with you, @elsewhere, that life isn't about money grubbing and white picket fences. I have a spotty resume, because I took off and did weird things. I got a lot out of the weird things, but my "career" suffered. So, in hindsight, I wish I had set myself up a little bit better, had established myself, had been truer to MY interests (as opposed to tagging along with someone else's), and built a more solid foundation for myself. Financial as well as professional.

I think maybe what it comes down to is, there's empowered Carpe Diem, and there's aimless Carpe Diem. Going overseas and having a rich experience is a different animal than going over because she's worried about her relationship.

May 18 12 - 7:03pm
LW1

Hey y'all, letter writer 1 here. You're right, I was crazy vague about my profession! I just didn't want to make it *too* complicated. If you're interested here are the deets: I am a Canadian who did grad school in the States and was dating a guy from Israel. The other snag was that I have a year here after grad school to work as a Spanish interpreter and translator, and if I had left to move to Israel I would have given that up and had to just move back to Canada afterwards. And as you are all aware there's no Spanish in Israel, so I would have just been working freelance translation stuff from there.
It was tempting to take a break like some have suggested, live in a different country that I'm interested in and be with my boyfriend. But in the end I talked to my awesome aunt and she told me that (as others said) your first year after grad school is pretty important.

It would have been different if my boyfriend was going to be ready to move in a year and we were planning on getting married or something - but as it stands I couldn't count on that. I had to think about myself first.

So, I decided to stay here!

Apr 27 12 - 1:09pm
pjc

Dear Betty,
Write me and I'll be happy to help you out.

Nice guy always looking to help a damsel in distress!!

May 22 12 - 8:31pm
Tre

Betty Boop- I feel ya. I was 24 when I lost the V-Card. But so what, who cares! Once it's gone, poof it's gone and it's crazy how you'll revel in it for a few days and then go back to your normal business. Doesn't seem to be worth the hours and hours of crying and worrying that led up to it. Anywho, I say take your own goddamn virginity! Find that hairbrush, buy that dildo and just loosen it up down there. I never understood why it should be a painful blood-soaked experience. Then a dude won't even notice. Maybe he'll say you're tight (and he'll love it!), but if you say you're not a virgin, I doubt he's going to argue with you. A) He doesn't have a vagina and know how these things work unless he's like a vagina doc and B) His attention is focused on one thing...getting that thing inside you and having sexy fun times! Also, you never know. You could find someone who's ultra sweet and you feel comfortable telling him your a virgin and things work out great, or maybe he won't even notice, or maybe he'll apologize first for being inexperienced (lol that's what happened to me. I almost offered the V-card story up to him to comfort him)! And you're probably a sex kitten once you get in the bed so just have fun. I say scoop out a respectful guy and someone you're comfortable with at a bar or online (this part is impt), detach yourself from any idea of a longterm thing coming from after it (why get those feelings all mixed-up with it. enjoy it!), and do it and get it over with and brag to your g/fs about it, complain and rejoice, walk tall, and get back to work!

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