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Savage Love: Why is my dad still friends with my ex? Plus, is the sex act my boyfriend wants above and beyond the call of duty?

I love reading your column and never thought that I would have a reason to write to you, but to my pleasure and chagrin, I realized today that I could use your help.

I am a twenty-three-year-old woman. I have been with my boyfriend for three years, and we have lived together for two. We have a very healthy sex life, and the longer we are together, the better it gets! There is just one problem: he wants me to get really raunchy with his come when I am blowing him. I guess it's called an "oral creampie." Anyway, he wants to shoot on my face with my mouth open, he wants me to let him come in my mouth and then let it drool back out on my chin or his cock, all kinds of things in that vein. I would LOVE to do that for him — but when it's go time, I freeze and can't bring myself to do it and end up swallowing his come instead.

Honestly, I think the thought of come bothers me. I can swallow it because once I do, it's gone and I don't have to worry about it — but with this, I have to play with it and run it all around in my mouth. I need to know how to embrace his come instead of fearing it so our sex life can continue to grow instead of stagnate on this one thing. HELP!

Frozen Creampie

According to Urban Dictionary — the final authority on all sex definitions these days — an "oral creampie" isn't anywhere near as involved a process as your boyfriend makes it out to be.

"While receiving a blowjob," says Urban Dictionary, "the alpha male peaks to orgasm — while the male is in the midst of ejaculation, or cumming, the female continues the act of oral sex without removing her lips and/or mouth from the alpha males penis — thus, causing the male to cum inside the females mouth, and possibly down her throat while she is still sucking the males penis."

You gotta love how the alpha male — no blowjobs for you beta males — "peaks to orgasm" all by himself. He isn't brought to orgasm thanks to the determined efforts of a giving partner. No. A blowjob is something alpha males do for themselves. There he is, our alpha male, peaking to orgasm all on his own, when suddenly a woman trips and falls face-first into his lap.

Anyway, FC, it looks like you're doing the oral creampie already: You're blowing him; you're swallowing. Your boyfriend is asking you for what we're going to call "more." And this isn't something he's asking you to do "when [you're] blowing him," but after you're done blowing him. Because once he comes, FC, the blowjob is technically over. Emission accomplished. So he's asking for a blowjob-and-then-some, an above-and-beyond-the-call post-blowjob indulgence.

A couple of thoughts…

Presumably, your boyfriend eats your pussy. And when he does, FC, he gets your vaginal secretions all over his face — it's smeared all over his chin and cheeks and nose and lips. It's applied gradually, in layers, like a varnish. There's a big difference between your secretions and his — he comes all at once, in a few massive splats — but if he's eating your pussy, FC, he's already doing a slo-mo version of what he's asking you to do for him.

But even so, FC, your boyfriend has to recognize the above-and-beyond nature of the request he's making. He's getting head — good, enthusiastic head, too, as evidenced by all the alpha orgasms he's peaking. And there you are, only too happy to swallow — even if your true motive is to dispose of his semen as quickly as possible. It seems to me that (1) your boyfriend shouldn't push this oral creampie thing too hard and (2) you shouldn't feel too bad if you can't bring yourself to do this for him anytime soon.

Your inability to do this one thing — this one above-and-beyond thing — shouldn't be allowed to "derail" an otherwise excellent sex life. Your sex life can "continue to grow" even if this particular act won't be scratched off the boyfriend's bucket-o-come list anytime soon. Do the stuff you enjoy, try new things, continue to grow together. And maybe play with his come a little bit along the way — masturbate him sometimes, or let him masturbate himself, and run your fingers through his come — and perhaps your fears and inhibitions will decrease and one day you'll be able to enjoy his juices (a word I hate in this context) just as much as he enjoys yours.

And he does enjoy yours, right? Because if he isn't eating your pussy, FC, then you shouldn't even be blowing him, much less feeling guilty about not gargling with his come after you're done.

I grew up in a shitty conservative town with a batshit crazy mother and a philandering father who, despite leaving my mom when I was two, went on to be a pretty good dad and definitely the only moderately stable parent in my life. I wanted his love and approval. I went to law school and married a guy who was, essentially, my dad. They became best friends. Very shortly into the marriage, I fell in love with a woman, realized I'm a total homo, and got divorced. I'm still with the same woman and I'm no longer suicidal over my internalized homophobia. Yay.

My dad didn't exactly support my decision, but he has made an effort to get to know my girlfriend and isn't acting quite as crushed as I know he was when I came out and divorced my husband.

However, he continues to have a relationship with my ex-husband. This enrages me. I felt like he sided with the ex at every turn during our separation and divorce, and now I feel like he's incapable of understanding my feelings. I'm still friendly with my ex, although I have tremendous guilt issues over not having figured myself out before dragging him into a marriage. My dad's point is that his friendship with my ex has nothing to do with me.

Am I just being a petty bitch or is he being an insensitive asshole?

Angry Lesbian Daughter

Petty bitch or insensitive asshole, petty bitch or insensitive asshole, petty bitch or insensitive asshole — does it have to be one or the other, ALD?

Your dad bonded with your ex while you were married and didn't regard the divorce as your ex's fault. Perhaps your dad took your ex's side because he couldn't see that the divorce wasn't entirely your fault, either. You were a victim, too, ALD — victimized by the homophobia you had internalized. The homophobic culture that rendered you incapable of recognizing that you were a lesbian before you dragged your ex into a doomed marriage is ultimately to blame — that doesn't mean you bear no responsibility — and if your dad couldn't see that at the time and was insensitive, then, yeah, he owes you an apology.

But you brought your ex into your dad's life, your dad bonded with him as a son-in-law, and it's unfair of you to demand that your dad cut all ties to your ex. That's controlling, irrational behavior — aka petty bitchery — and you should apologize to your dad for it.

You have a right to your feelings, of course, and if your dad's relationship with your ex makes you uncomfortable, it makes you uncomfortable. In this era of divorce, remarriage, and blended families, rest assured that you're not the only person in the world with an ex who's still, for better or worse, part of the family.

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Comments ( 35 )

What awful advice to FC. Is she not asking you HOW to perform this act / get over her fear of it, rather than IF she should do it? She clearly states "I would LOVE to do that for him', so why persuade her not to do it?

While I cannot offer a solid solution to her problem except for perhaps a shot of vodka to take the edge off, I applaud her for her desire to please her boyfriend who clearly makes her very happy.

French Connection commented on Oct 27 10 at 8:46 am

I fail to see how slopping a bit of semen on your face is "above and beyond." Just do it and stop whining. As Dan pointed out, guys who go down have it much worse.

Moops commented on Oct 27 10 at 9:10 am

FC: just tell him to pull out before he comes, and aim where he likes. You're thinking about it too much and that's why you freeze - so take the ultimate 'decision' out of your hands, and put it in his, so to speak. Once he's covered you with his baby gravy a couple of times and you realise that 'disposing' of it is just a wet washcloth away, perhaps you will be more comfortable taking the lead on his point-and-shoot adventures in the future.

jd commented on Oct 27 10 at 9:24 am

oh god moops, you depress me so much. like, literally, I am sitting at work very depressed now because of your stereotypical a-hole attitude. go give a bj moops, I find it's the hardcore machismo types who usually really want to. then you can come back and post about 'just do it and stop whining'. moops, you have ruined my whole morning. I am going to go make some hot chocolate in the office kitchen just to get over feeling so depressed about your lack of understanding when it comes to giving and receiving oral. Please never procreate.

ecj commented on Oct 27 10 at 9:33 am

Although she states "I would love to do that for him" she obviously doesn't. She thinks she wants to. She wants to want to, but when it comes down to take it on the face, she doesn't want to.

Whether or not that is wrong is beyond me to judge. But if she doesn't want to do it, she shouldn't feel guilty. If anything, do it once just to appease him so she can then say, "I tried it and didn't like it."

s commented on Oct 27 10 at 10:20 am

"I am sitting at work very depressed now because of your stereotypical a-hole attitude." If that's all it takes to send you into a depression you need psychiatric help. I heard that sperm contains antideppressants, maybe that will help.

Again, we guys go down on women and get all sort of slop on our face. If we complain about women being smelly or gross down there, then we have to "man up" and do our duty (luckily I have no problem doing my duty).

Moops commented on Oct 27 10 at 10:27 am

You're absolutely right. Please, like this moops douchebag has anyone who'd let him go down on her. Go suck your own cock, loser. Maybe then you'll know--coming from someone who's been on both sides of the fence, as you clearly have not--that blow jobs are much more difficult to perform well and that women's cum generally tastes much better than men's. "Slop"? Seriously? If you're so reviled by vagina and treat women with the kind of misogynistic hatred that emanates from both your posts, you should seriously check out the phallic side of the fence.

@ejc and moops commented on Oct 27 10 at 11:09 am

"Emission accomplished." Love it. :)

Pop Culture Blows commented on Oct 27 10 at 11:12 am

You're absolutely right. As if this douchebag moops has anyone who'd let him go down on her. Go suck your own cock, loser. Maybe then you'll realize--speaking as someone who's been on both sides of the fence--that giving a blow job is a much more challenging act and that women's come generally tastes much better than men's. "Slop"? Really? If you are really as digsusted by vaginas and treat women with the misogynistic hatred emanating from your two posts then you should check out the phallic side of the fence--it doesn't sound like too many women will be disappointed at the loss.

@ejc and moops commented on Oct 27 10 at 11:15 am

I myself am not a huge fan of getting a facial. However, in the shower, anything goes. The first woman should try accommodating her man in the shower, because then all the cum that gets everywhere just washes right off afterwards and it's really as tidy as can be!

violet666 commented on Oct 27 10 at 12:35 pm

+1 For @ejc and moops!

ms commented on Oct 27 10 at 1:21 pm

Whether guys emit more "slop" than women or not, the big difference here is what it means. The women I know--in general--don't particularly enjoy grossing out their partners down there. What turns a guy on about spewing his "slop" all over a pretty face?

ms commented on Oct 27 10 at 1:29 pm

ECJ should not read any internet sites that allow comments reading one not to her liking is going to send her into a tailspin.

AD commented on Oct 27 10 at 1:31 pm

I agree with violet666, the shower, paradoxically, is a great place to get dirty!

PVD commented on Oct 27 10 at 1:46 pm

jeeze @AD ever heard of this little thing called sarcasm? no? never? huh. that doesn't make me as depressed as moops, but it does make me slightly sad at how literal and un-fun you must be. for reals @AD, go look up sarcasm in the dictionary, and hyperbole too! I promise they will both make your life happier.

oh and @moops, sweetheart, are you seriously advocating that men are more pressure to go down on women then women are pressured to go down on men? awwww, it's kind of cute how dumb you are. And don't lie to me moops, when you say that you have 'no problem doing your duty' are you talking about pretending to go down on your blow up doll? It's nice of you to practice in case you ever meet a woman who will let you get within 10 feet of her vagina. Keep up the good work moops!

ecj commented on Oct 27 10 at 3:34 pm

Yeah yeah, we all get you were being sarcastic and that's all very clever. Well done. :D
You were also being very heavy handed and eye-rolling with your "joke"

@ejc commented on Oct 27 10 at 4:09 pm

Yeah Yeah, we all get you were being sarcastic hyperbolic and that's very clever. :D
You were also being very heavy handed and eye-rolling with your "joke"

@ejc commented on Oct 27 10 at 4:15 pm

Ugh accidental double post. oops

@ejc commented on Oct 27 10 at 4:37 pm

obviously AD didn't get it....which is why I posted to him....so obviously the sarcasm wasn't heavy handed, or AD would have understood it.

sigh...there's no pleasing you people.

@ecj commented on Oct 27 10 at 5:18 pm

obviously AD didn't get it....which is why I posted to him....so obviously the sarcasm wasn't heavy handed, or AD would have understood it.

sigh...there's no pleasing you people.

@ecj commented on Oct 27 10 at 5:18 pm

Ugh... comment wars. I'm anticipating that this will degenerate into who has the worst spelling and grammar any minute now...

Rubix commented on Oct 27 10 at 6:52 pm

Nah I never sink to that level. Just voicing my humble opinion on a fellow commentor. But agreed, let's leave this and stick to the issue at hand.

Jack commented on Oct 27 10 at 7:34 pm

Come to think of it, is commentor even a word? oh well. Anyway enough of my pedantic ramblings and apologies for derailing the thread.

Jack commented on Oct 27 10 at 7:46 pm

No, it's commenter or commentator.

Me commented on Oct 28 10 at 2:24 am

Licking a vagina is like sunshine compared to blowing a dude. Seriously, blow jobs are disgusting, and eat your own sperm asshole if you think it's so delicious.

AT commented on Oct 28 10 at 9:44 pm

@ALD - Your father is best friends with your ex because "[I] married a guy who was, essentially, my dad." Of COURSE they're still going to be friends. You handed him himself, but 30 years younger! While it might have something to do with your being gay (and it might), it really likely has to do with this being the son he never had/himself in a younger form.

AD commented on Oct 28 10 at 10:20 pm

ecj- go away, you do not belong on this site, as you have obvious major difficulties with sex.. Besides which, you are a self confessed, entirely stereotypical loser.

Props to Moops for telling it like it is

iadr1 commented on Oct 29 10 at 8:19 pm

ms: "What turns a guy on about spewing his "slop" all over a pretty face?"

I've never done it with a woman, sometimes have wanted it...for me it'd be about...if she does that, it's a real "acceptance" of the guy/his semen, it's showing sexual openness, and a sort of reveling in sex (& the guy's semen). All turn ons.

AT: "Licking a vagina is like sunshine compared to blowing a dude. Seriously, blow jobs are disgusting, and eat your own sperm asshole if you think it's so delicious."

Really? I'm a straight guy, though I have tasted my own semen as an experiment. Cunnilingus...I love having a woman writhing at the tip of my tongue. But the taste or odor can be pretty bad sometimes (& sometimes awesome, or completely tasteless, or just "ok"). Blowjobs...well I don't know about smell (though I myself shower!), and swallowing...well, I wasn't thrilled with the slimy texture, but it wasn't a big deal, and not much odor or taste there, other than salt. So far, I don't accept your comparison of the 2.

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dgsgsfbedgd commented on Oct 30 10 at 11:07 pm

idk if bjs are less fun than licking the pussy, because i've never sucked the dick. however, i know a multitude of gay men who are very very quite enthusiastic about slobbin the knob. i know a couple who eat pussy, and they say it's comparatively gross. personally, i love eating pussy, and i love getting dirty doing it. it seems like the folks posting here are like my girlfriend, who hate sucking dick, regardless how polite it is to reciprocate.
my point to you retards is that different people have different perspectives on oral sex, both ways.
it's a matter of taste, and manners.

josh commented on Oct 31 10 at 10:34 pm

Josh, i'm really really sorry your girlfriend hates sucking dick.

K-Star commented on Nov 01 10 at 7:38 pm

MOOPS! I think the reason folks are taking issue to your posts is because of the language your using to describe THE DEED. That eating pussy is your "duty" and that you must "man up" in order to do it makes it sound like licking cunt is some kind of going-into-the-jungles-of-Veitnam-cause-I'm a-true-partiot duty, not a fun, sexy super hot thing you love to do to your girlfriend. If a lady catches even a whiff of disgust or apprehension when you're headed down there, be sure she will protest that you don't have to go back to Veitnam again, sweetie. we're just polite like that.
I agree w/ Kevin: when a lady loves come, its an affirmation. its hot when someone gets down with all the dirty parts of sex. THIS HAS GOT TO BE A TWO WAY STREET THOUGH! I've only had two sweet, killer guys say that they loved going down on me, asked to do it and got into it. When someone is down there and it seems like its a chore for them, it ain't fun for me, and I don't let them down there again.
Its a bad feeling when your partner asks you to do something that you find degrading or gross. It makes you feel like you are on different pages sexually. On the other hand, it is THE BEST feeling when you say to your partner, I've always wanted to do this... and they say, fuck yeah! ME TOO.
having the open dialogue without fear of power-plays or embarrassment is what makes a loving, sexy hot relationship, AMIRIGHT?

brooke commented on Nov 04 10 at 8:27 pm

sorry, i got on a rant there. :(

brooke commented on Nov 04 10 at 8:27 pm

To Angry Lesbian Daughter,
I can fully empathize with how you are feeling. I think the answer is that there is no answer. My entire family was put in this situation when my brother and sister in law divorced. We had her in our family for ten years and we loved her. In fact, my brother was furious at us when they first started dating for not accepting her enough. Now they share custody over their son and we have all been forbidden from communicating with her. My brother and his new wife say that our communicating with the ex is unfair to new wife. It gets awkward when we see her when she comes to pick up my nephew and we are supposed to prevent her from coming in my parents' house and ignoring her when she tries to reach out to us. I know I am not supposed to, but I still love her and it hurts like hell to see her lose my family.

What I am trying to say, by imposing my own story on you, is that divorce sucks. It affects more people than the two people in the marriage. That is not to take away any of the very real pain you two experience, but you need to appreciate that divorce affects other family members, who are often very bewildered when a member of their family is suddenly taken away.

Let your dad's relationship with your ex take its course. I am sure your ex will eventually realize it isn't healthy to hang on to the connection to you and will move on. It can't be easy when your dad talks about how you are doing, or for him to see pictures in your dad's house of your happy new love. Or, he will find a new love who will not be happy that he is hanging out with his ex's father all the time. In the meantime, know that your father has a heart and is probably keeping touch with ex out of sympathy, and not out of any anger or vindictiveness towards you.

Congratulations on your new brave life and best of luck in love.

Ex-sister in law commented on Nov 07 10 at 4:38 pm

'ms', you answered your own question! ha, ha!

spif commented on Nov 20 10 at 12:06 am

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