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Scanner Roundtable: If Gay Marriage Is Legal, What About Polygamy?

Posted by Brian Fairbanks

 

The question posed by our headline is the very question the United Provinces of Canadia is dealing with today, thanks to a case involving the practice that is heating up in the country's courts. Two men linked to Warren Jeffs, the nutso Utah sect leader, currently facing serious jail time, are each of accused of having multiple wives.

Their argument is simple...

Blackmore’s lawyer, Blair Suffredine, said during a telephone interview that marriage standards in Canada have changed.

If (homosexuals) can marry, what is the reason that public policy says one person can’t marry more than one person?” said Suffredine, a former provincial lawmaker. Canada’s Parliament extended full marriage rights to same-sex couples in 2005. [Canoe]

Before you go and get all excited, remember this: we are creeped out by these Jeffian cultists as much as the next person, but should we promote gay marriage while also saying, "Oh, but yeah... we don't condone that totally medieval practice?" Are we any better than those wacko Republicans who claim gay marriage in America will open the floodgates for people to marry their pet snakes, underage relatives with eight heads, and horny lepers. 

P.S. Ironically, it was one gay couple's battles with the legal system reminded them of what polygamists must go through, and that thinking led to their HBO series Big Love.

 

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profrobert said:

First, let's remember that marriage is a legal institution.  You can fornicate with as many people as you want (assuming everyone is capable of giving adult consent); you can live with as many people as you want; you can have children with as many people as you want.  What you *can't* do is expect to have government benefits for multiple partners.

The government has provided for certain rights and obligations for two people who make a certain type of contract with each other.  It is limited to two people.  The Legislature could abolish those rights and obligations (at least on a go-forward basis -- I don't want to digress into the Contracts Clause issue here), and it could expand them to include multiple people.  All of that is subject to the Legislature's police powers to create forms of contracts between adults.

The issue with gay marriage is that most Legislatures have permitted these contracts between two people only if they are of different genders.  But that discrimination against same-sex couples (I would argue; it's a legitimate debate either way) violates the Equal Protection Clause.  That's why gay marriage should exist IF the Legislature has permitted straight marriage.

However, the Legislature has not permitted polygamy.  The polygamists would have an argument if *some* polygamy were permitted, but not other (e.g., permitting plural wives but not plural husbands).  That's why the polygamists' argument based on gay marriage (at least in the United States) is constitutionally unsound.

As for gay marriage leading to a right to bestiality, I won't dignifty that contention by responding to it other than to say that anyone who asserts it should be dunked in a bucket of a frothy mixture of santorum.   (See www.urbandictionary.com/define.php if you don't know the term.)

January 22, 2009 11:34 AM

Daniel J Dwyer said:

Well said profrobert.

Also, it would be absurd to expect an individual's employer to extend benefits to multiple spouses, or a hospital to give multiple spouses rights as next of kin. There isn't any point in legal recognition of polygamy, because the legal rights that marriage (or civil union) is designed to protect could not reasonably be extended across multiple partnerships.

The polygamists might have had a legitimate point if they were arguing that it should not be illegal for them to live in households where multiple persons have religiously, but not legally, recognized marriages. The thing is, no one gets arrested for this. They get arrested for the multitude of other crimes they commit in living their horrid lifestyle.

While it would certainly be bigoted to call homosexuality a horrid lifestyle, it is not bigoted to describe what these men have done as amounting to a horrid lifestyle. Homosexuality involves a mature relationship between two adults of full rational faculty. This is not the case with the polygamy that is prosecuted. Little girls who have been raised in a life that is intentionally designed to keep them ignorant to the realities of the world and subservient to their despotic leaders are victims of these polygamist marriages. It goes well beyond simply being rape. They are willfully treated as chattel, made to think that this is right, or, when they dare to disagree, physically forced into lives they do not want, often through assault and/or battery. The horrors that young women on compounds are subjected to are enough that there is significant legal precedent established to say that even if multiple marriages were legal, the girls were over the age of consent, and did agree to the marriage, they are not of right mind to consent.

These men being arrested aren't Bill Hendricks. Even if they were living the life you see him live on Big Love, it is naive to say that the women of the Hendricks family are not victims. The most insightful and revealing moments of the show are those where the women have moments of clarity and reveal how horribly conflicted they feel about their lifestyle. Healthy relationships, gay or straight, do not ever involve such a deep and abiding inner conflict. Abusive relationships do.

Perhaps more substantially, these people aren't just looking for legal acceptance; they are looking for societal acceptance. It is of tantamount importance that we as a society never accept such a horrible way of life. It is appalling that we tolerate it to the extent that we do. This is nothing like accepting the gay community, because whether or not one believes there is something wrong with homosexual acts, there is nothing objectionable about a gay lifestyle. No one is being hurt; there is no victim. On a polygamist compound, almost everyone is a victim, including the young boys who are seduced into becoming evil men. There is nothing more appalling about our nation than the fact that we continue to allow this to go on. It's not an issue of freedom of religion, or of privacy, or any of the deeply held American values. They are crossing lines which are deep seated enough in human consciousness that people have recognized these sort of actions as evils committed against other humans for nearly as long as we have recorded our values. It's not even a grey area. It's abhorrent, and we cannot say that every one of us is truly free until we take action to erase from our lands any tolerance for such slavery, rape, and the domination of one's fellow man by means of violence, intimidation, and the shackling of the mind.

January 22, 2009 8:36 PM

Elle said:

As stated above. Marraige is a metacontract between two people, it includes automatically power of autorney, power to choose if someone is taken off life support, links debt and benefits.

This would be very complicated to extend beyond one person, because then what if those multiple people disagree? In the end marraige is a choice that 'this one person has my back, this person can speak for me if the need should arise'. As stated above, nothing should legally stop those two people from then sleeping with or living with other consenting adults.

My problem with polygamist sects though isn't about the multiple marraige part, its the part where young girls are forced into marraige and where women are treated as cattle, not as partners.

February 1, 2009 12:02 AM

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