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Dear Miss Information,

I started dating a guy a year and a half ago, despite misgivings about his nicotine and weed addictions. He promised he wouldn't do it around me (and he doesn't, ever). We're in love, the sex is great, and we've been maintaining a long-distance relationship for the past eight months. We're both interested in settling down and moving in together, and he says he's willing to give up cigarettes if that happens. But he's in a grad program and I'm in law school. It will be at least a year before we can even try to live together.

I hate smoking. He promised to do his best to quit six months ago when I gave him an ultimatum, but he basically gave up without telling me. To add to all the stress, we had an abortion a few days ago. It was the right decision, and he was a model partner, but I still feel like we had a Near-Commitment Experience and passed it by. He feels like we made it through a huge challenge, only for me to pick this fight now.

Feeling trapped and manipulated by my year and a half of waiting, and horribly depressed at the thought of the coming year, I broke up with him last night. We're both crushed. Am I facing up to a basic incompatibility, or just being intolerant and hormone-smashed from the ended pregnancy? We seem to be at an impasse: he says he doesn't want to quit right now, and I just can't grit my teeth and wait anymore. Are we missing something? — Quitter

Dear Quitter,

Holy shit, I need a cigarette. This letter is stressing me out. Normally I'd pull out a stogie, but leaving a warm table full of friends to loiter outside in the cold, and return smelling like industrial-grade dooky stopped being cute, and I quit several years ago. I feel for your guy though. Smoking is awesome. I'd go back to it if it wouldn't...you know...kill me.

Jonesing aside, I think you two set yourselves up for failure. If Boyfriend is supposed to quit when you move in together, and you can't move for at least a year, why did you throw down that ultimatum six months ago? Was that a warm-up, or an effort to push the breakup along? If you're afraid of committing to a smoker, why set his quit date for the same date you sign the lease? Is that a good plan? Is that logical? Also, what's with this "do his best" business? I'm not surprised "do his best" was interpreted kinda liberally by your boyfriend. The goals aren't clear (both for his quitting smoking and what you guys want to do career/housing-wise), and the ones you do have, you keep moving around.

I think you both have serious doubts about committing to each other. Post-pregnancy hormones are affecting this, sure, but this has been going on for quite a while, like you said. You're in a long-term relationship but living in separate residences, contemplating breaking up, and making life decisions that indicate you're not ready to get more serious.

You are torn up by your boyfriend's indecision. You think all you want is this one thing from him. But what would his quitting smoking mean to you? Would it show that he's finally serious about the relationship? Would it be a sign that he cares about you and is sensitive enough to connect with you emotionally? Would it reassure you that he's capable of self-control and carrying something through? These questions are more substantial than a few puffs off a Marlboro.

Your boyfriend is probably sick of being criticized. Subconsciously, he's using the smoking issue as a way to forestall commitment. He doesn't see a big problem with his weed and tobacco use, and resents having to take on another person's (your) values as his own. He's seen you through difficult times, and feels like he's gotten little but complaining to show for it. He wonders if you'll continue to be this way in the long term. If I quit smoking, he thinks, what will she choose to criticize me about next? His delaying quitting and putting conditions on it is his way of reasserting his identity and gaining control.

Quitter, I think you did the right thing by quitting this relationship. You both feel what you feel very strongly. You gave it an ample amount of time, tried your best to compromise, and it didn't work out. You don't want to date a smoker, and, whether he admits it or not, he digs smoking. You shouldn't have to change, and he shouldn't have to change. That's the golden nugget in all this. It's no one's fault.

I know you guys are miserable, and you should expect to be for a time. Quitting people is just as miserable as getting off the smokey treats. If they could make an ex-girlfriend patch or an ex-husband gum, I'm sure we'd be a nation of addicts, calling and hanging up on our exes when the drugstore is closed and we couldn't get our next fix.


Dear Miss Information,

I recently started dating a new gal. We've been out on four dates. No sex. We haven't talked about exclusivity, but it did come out in casual conversation that neither of us is seeing other people. After that came out, we got quiet and awkward.

She's going on a business trip this weekend. It happens that a female college friend is also coming to visit — the kind of friend that's platonic until we have a lot to drink and get naked. Is it alright to sleep with my friend, assuming I don't do it again if things get serious with the four-date girl? — Under the Wire

Dear Under the Wire,

How intense were those four dates? Did you reveal any deep personal secrets? Make any of those creepy vows like they do in eHarmony commercials? If not, you're in the clear. You haven't slept together and you haven't had "The Talk." Exclusivity by intention is not the same as exclusivity by default.
This would-be indiscretion is with a designated fuck buddy and a long-distance fuck buddy at that. Your fuck-friendship isn't transforming into a committed relationship anytime soon. Plus, since she lives far way, it isn't likely you'll have to explain to your new maybe-girlfriend who that friendly lady is you keep running into.

A fling like this can be good in the early stages of a possible relationship. You get all that sexual frustration out of your system with one last, safe hurrah. You can make decisions based on whether you actually like four-date girl versus needing to relieve your blue balls.

Be prepared for this question: "How was your weekend?" I recommend the vague but honest answer: "An old friend came to town." Four-date girl might drop it at that. If she gets jealous though, you have the perfect opportunity to discuss the rules going forward.

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Comments ( 26 )

I think quitter did the right thing. What's probably not coming across "online" or in writing is that she does not have any faith in dude. He has simply let her down. She doesn't want him to smoke -cigs or weed - and she wants a commitment. What did she get? A non-quitter and an abortion.
Quitter: Stand strong in/on your decision. The pain of the break-up will disappear after a while.

Sean commented on Dec 28 09 at 4:33 am

People should not and most likely can not give up cigarettes for someone else, only for themselves. If he wanted to quit, he would.

If this releationship is so great, don't end it. Frank;y it sounds like quitter is a nut job obsessing over the smoking and probably basing a lot of the relationship on it - telling her friends how well he's done this week, calling and texting to offer encouragement.

You fell in love with a smoker, and if you love him you'll accept him for who he is. You've made your point about the smoking and he knows it. If you drop it, when the time is right he'll quit, otherwise he'll just find a way to hide it, and it will open the door for more areas deceit.

If the relationship is great, compromising on smoking is a small thing.

anonymous commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:14 am

Wow, does Quitter come off as a controlling bitch. If the dude did quit cigarettes, I'm sure there would be some other part of him she'd want to change next. And then another, and another and another. Beyond that the dude doesn't ever smoke around her - so it doesn't effect her life at all. She's obviously a controlling smoke Nazi asshat. She did him the favor of his life by breaking up with him. Unfortunately, now she's free to roam and make some other dude miserable.

He sounds like an awesome guy - and, seriously, if he never smokes around her that means he goes entire nights (and probably weekends) without smoking, which is a huge accomplishment and a giant sacrifice he's making for her. All he seems to get in return is her being a controlling nut job. Can you imagine what sex with a nightmare girl like this must be like?

I hope someday he finds a cool girl who likes him for him and doesn't try to use him as some infantilized plaything she can try to control.

Bart commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:25 am

Also, I'm fairly sure that second letter has run before? Did Hooksexup goof up?

Bart commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:27 am

I forgot to add "smoking" to that list of dealbreakers last week, and Quitter's letter is Exhibit A as to why. You have to take people as you find them and accept them for who they are; if you can't, get the hell out of their lives. It's a hard lesson to learn. I suspect this couple is in their 20s, when you're still trying to figure out what is and isn't important in relationships, and these "everything, but" or "if only for that" relationships are very seductive, but ultimately doomed. I think Quitter did the right thing by ending the relationship. If it turns out a year from now finds you in the same location, see how you feel then, but with time, distance, perspective, and I hope recognizing you can't change other people, only yourself.

ProfRobert commented on Dec 28 09 at 10:22 am

Bart: What the fuck do you know about Quitter? Nothing. We're all ignorant in that respect. What you've done is proven that you're stupid.

Bob commented on Dec 28 09 at 2:24 pm

My college boyfriend quit smoking because I asked him to. I'm allergic to the smell of smoke, and kissing him tasted like kissing an ashtray. He quit, and his health has been much better for it. We've been married a couple of decades, and he's never wanted to go back to smoking. And no, I didn't try to change anything else about him. Grad school/law school are horribly stressful on any relationship, and made more so by long distance. If they are really right for each other, they will survive this last year of grad school living apart, and then work things out once they both graduate. If they want this to work, they will manage to live in the same city after they both graduate.

JL commented on Dec 28 09 at 2:34 pm

Having a fourth date exclusivity talk sounds insane to me.

LPC commented on Dec 28 09 at 6:25 pm

To Under the Wire:

Don't hook up with the FWB unless you don't have hope for a long term relationship with the girl you've been seeing. If you do end up long term and she finds out, she's going to be hurt and wonder what kind of person you really are. Just jerk off this weekend. You'll live.

Steve L. commented on Dec 28 09 at 6:30 pm

Quitter, I had almost the same situation. The only difference was that this girl wanted me to stop eating meat. (We were both smokers) Anyhow to quit smoking is a too big thing to ask from someone. There are smokers which loose legs and arms and still smoke. But as a general point: NEVER EVER put ANY ultimatums on being with somebody. Not even a "change to/from boxer from/to slip". Reasoning is: if so small thing can change how she feels about me than her feelings are not very deep.
If you really want him, let him smoke just remind him that you dont like it and all the usual half-nagging (make him wash his teeth more often, talk about his health etc.) but never try to set a goal for him. When time comes and he thinks/feels he can quit he'll do it (not for you but for himself first). You can offer a help like ... make him buy a book "Quit smoking easy way" - that thing works.

If you don't do it this way then ... he'll be happier without you...

ilija commented on Dec 28 09 at 7:17 pm

As a medical student, I see the long-term toll that smoking takes on folks who started in ther teens and twenties and continued smoking for 20+ yrs--it has long term consequences if you smoke indoors and possible children. I agree at the end of the the day it's a personal choice---and the decision should be INDIVIDUAL and not what a partner, wife, gf, or loved one demands you do. BUT if you do smoke--it does impact your potential partner and children.

Katie commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:11 pm

I had similar situation as quitter. My boyfriend did not quit when we moved in together but agreed to smoke outside the apartment. He did eventually quit on his own because smoking became too expensive a habit when he went back to grad school after I supported us for a couple years. The relationship did not last due to significant problems, and had I recognized some of fundamental early differences like the smoking thing---I probably would have gotten out sooner than the later I did. I think quitter made the right decision, it is a barometer for if you are on the same page and compatible.

sarah commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:17 pm

Bob, what I know about Qutter is that she doesn't love her boyfriend the way he is - she loves what she think she can change him to be.

And, that's abusive and awful.

I'd say the same thing about a dude who wrote the same letter but instead wanted his girlfriend to lose weight.

Demanding your partner change for you is the first sign of abuse. If you don't like a fundamental part of them, don't fuck them. It's that simple.

Bart commented on Dec 28 09 at 8:42 pm

I think quitter is a total ball breaking control freak cunt. He is not even living with you and your busting his balls to quit. She has zero faith in the guy because she has zero faith in herself . The guy must be hurting but you know it is probably for the best he is rid of her now.

niall mad dog o'hara commented on Dec 28 09 at 10:44 pm

Bart, I too had deja vu when I read letter two last night...But decided not to question it since it could have been another column.

Maybe he just lost the last girl from the same FWB from last time. So hey dude, just do the opposite of what you did last time, and maybe you'll keep a steady girl this round, k?

Strathmore commented on Dec 29 09 at 3:33 am

quitter seems to have been in a complicated relationship. and she might not be the easiest person to be with, but i am kind of shocked by the amount of venom that her letter provoked. and by the total lack of recognition of the abortion she just had. that kind of experience is a mindfucker for most people.
maybe, just maybe, her weed/tobacco loving ex is something of a slacker. it wouldn't be too surprising.

CD commented on Dec 29 09 at 4:02 am

CD: I agree. But this is the internet. This is Hooksexup and every one here is extremely liberal and morally relativistic. She has been accused of being abusive, controlling, etc. And nothing is said of the weed-smoking adult male. Good god. He'd be a great role model for some loser.

I've been involved with two "closeted" smokers. I.e. they smoked under stress or some such bullshit. I told them that I wasn't into it and smelling an ashtray was a poor substitute for smelling a beautiful woman. I did not ask them to quit but instead told them that if they did not stop, then I would not continue. People have the right to demand whatever behavior or standards they want in their lives. What they do not have the right to do is berate their partner. If dude said he would quit excellent. If he said he wouldn't, just as good. Just don't lie, berate, etc. You lose respect for the other person and yourself. (Homes with the regular weed-smoking has little respect for himself anyway.)

Bob commented on Dec 29 09 at 4:26 am

Relax all you people on criticizing quitter. I believe that the abortion and being apart took a greater toll than the smoking habit. The bottom line is that they split up. The true colors are about to show

vladimir commented on Dec 29 09 at 4:29 am

Take a Chill Pill,everyone should have the right to their own decissions,whether its quitter or whether its the mate,what the hell!!!do what you want,when ,where ever and enjoy it,because its you being who you are,someone needs an adjustment and trust me its not you!!you only live once,do it your way,and enjoy!!!

Vicky Ball commented on Dec 29 09 at 8:51 am

I was thinking about the advice to just sleep with the FWB...I think that is way off the mark, if you're trying to begin a relationship with someone, why would you start it off that way...by sleeping with someone else?

Even if you can get away with it on a technicality...it would not impress me if I were dating you, in fact it would be a huge turn off. I'm one of those people who have crazy ideas about sex and intimacy...

Esmee commented on Dec 29 09 at 11:36 am

Only four dates and no sex yet? I agree you're in the clear to do as you please at this stage of the game. For all you know, she could be hooking up with a FWB on her trip out of town.

CPR commented on Dec 29 09 at 1:50 pm

I broke up with my bf for smoking. I gave him an ultimatum. I swear this was an episode of Growing Pains in 1988.

der commented on Dec 29 09 at 10:59 pm

Bob: What the fuck do you know about weed-smoking male adult? Nothing. We’re all ignorant in that respect. What you’ve done is proven that you’re not only stupid as you call Bart, but an un-muzzled hypocrite as well.

Long distance relationships are extremely saucy in spurts (literally & figuratively), but force you to keep your sense of independence. Regardless of school/work/family situation, they prove 90% of the time to be nothing more than great sex every weekend/other weekend. Quitter - you, with obvious thought and influence, chose abortion for a reason - YOU were not ready and probably realized the tainted nature of long distance loves/flings. In the grand scheme of things, it's just another thing that makes you stronger. Move on and enjoy your life exactly where you are while you're alive - we only have one chance!

Chone commented on Dec 29 09 at 11:34 pm

Chone: I know he would be a very much less than ideal role model vis a vis a father.

Bob commented on Dec 30 09 at 7:19 am

Being a lawyer/law student messes with your mind. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. This type of person studies control and rules all day. This is probably what contributed to the abortion. If this woman is going to put restrictions on actions from miles away, and try to change this guys smoking habits this is a doomed relationship. Long term he will be happier without her. They both need to find someone else.

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