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I never really believed my friend — I'll call him Nelson — was anything but gay. I met him through gay friends, in a gay bar, and he had the usual downtown New York gay enthusiasms, like Six Feet Under and the modish, skinny-boy models in Arena Homme Plus. His favorite member of the Strokes was Fabrizio, and he often wondered if the band's tendency to make out with each other during interviews might . . . mean something. Yet Nelson would emphatically deny being "gay," and he would often drop wistful, ponderous lines into conversation, such as, "Why can't we all just be like Mick Jagger in the '70s?"
    Being bi always seems to have a certain, unconstrained rock-star glamour (even if, in reality, the bi-guy contingent at most gay-pride parades seems to trend more Trekkie than Bowie). Considering that we're in a very rock-star era and that macho panic has generally subsided, it seems that we ought to be in the middle of a bisexual moment.

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    But I just figured Nelson was being uncooperative with the identity border guards. I couldn't stop thinking about Michael Stipe's famous declaration in the early '90s: "I've always been sexually ambiguous in terms of my proclivities. I think labels are for food." That, of course, turned out to be a bit of a dodge. Stipe later came out as full-on gay, thus confirming one of the usual condescensions about bisexuals: that it's a transition phase, an easing-into-gaydom.
    Nonetheless, I was surprised when Nelson and I ran into a girl, a friend of his, one night while we were standing in line at a concert. The three of us chatted for a while. She looked me over coyly. After she left, Nelson took a deep breath and told me he had been leading a secret life — a life of sex with chicks.
    The assumption that my friend couldn’t really be running AC/DC wouldn't really surprise Skott Freedman. The twenty-four-year-old bisexual activist and lecturer has spent the last three years barnstorming the nation's college campuses, trying to convince students that bisexuality even exists. "Many people think bisexuals just can't make up their minds," he says. Or that they're holding out to keep their membership privileges in the parent-and-society-pleasing

It's still not easy to describe oneself as bisexual.

heterosexual world.
   "Biphobia is more subtle than you expect," says Freedman. It's always, "'Oh, is that guy gay?' 'He says that he's bi,' 'Then give him two months.' It's like Phoebe on Friends singing, 'Some men love men, some love women and some say they're bi, and some that they're kidding themselves.'"
   As people become more and more accepting of gays as inevitable members of sitcom casts, and therefore the cast in one's own day to day life, it's still not easy to describe oneself as bisexual. "I do see a shift in open mindedness," says Skott. "A couple of years ago, people would say bisexuality didn't exist. Now people are saying that they just don't get it."


In 1953, Alfred Kinsey found that, on a scale of 0 (completely hetero) to 6 (supergay), 11.6 percent of American men considered themselves a "3," or equally attracted to men and women. In a 1977 Psychology Today study on masculinity, 29 percent of men surveyed claimed "some degree of bisexuality." Today, stats on male bisexuality are sketchy: sex studies are primarily conducted along strict gay/straight lines; depending on who's funding bi research, anywhere from 1 to 75 percent of American men are said to be having sex with other men.
    Yet every few years, the media fixates on the idea that going both ways is going mainstream. Newsweek, for example, plumbed the velvet goldmine for "Bisexual Chic: Anyone Goes" in 1974, followed by a 1987 scare story titled "A Perilous Double Love Life," (which declared that "in the AIDS era, bisexuals are becoming the ultimate pariahs"), then rediscovered it in 1995, wondering "Can You Really Have It Both Ways?" That next year, Esquire announced the arrival of the "Post-Gay Man," in a piece wherein its writer, who was "mostly gay," admitted he occasionally desired women. Around the same time, new HIV treatments drastically reduced the sex-death stigma, and the Web replaced local moral standards with a national sexuality bazaar. Will & Grace, Queer as Folk and high school gay-straight alliances made being gay seem everyday, banal.

According to a study last March, bisexuals were perceived less favorably than every other group mentioned.

    Yet bisexuality remained a purely academic concern, with professors like Harvard's Margerie Garber extolling its theoretical virtues and a Tufts class on bisexuality marking its fourteenth year. (Per the syllabus, readings include Bi Any Other Name: Bisexuals Speak Out, and poetry by Kei Uwano, a "Bi-Lovable Japanese Feminist").
   Most of Nelson's gay friends were like me: they thought he was really a homo but didn't want to admit it. And the couple of straight guys I know who had strayed into gay sex had just as quickly returned to heterosexual couplehood; they really don't talk about their gay old times much. And the out gays I know who've dated women — even had lots of hot sex with women — have almost to the man sworn it off. Few guys are like Nelson, openly trying to keep their options open.
   Why? Because male bisexuality is complicated and unpopular. According to a nationwide University of California survey published last March, bisexuals were perceived less favorably than every other group mentioned: blacks, whites, Catholics, Jews and people with AIDS. The only group rated more negatively was people who inject illegal drugs.
    Of course, among liberal-arts grads and Howard Stern listeners, the concept of a bisexual woman hasn't been all that stressful for some time. In most reasonably bohemian circles, it's nearly embarrassing not to have a certain amount of Sapphic experience. Lesbianism just isn't considered much of a threat: it's often taken for granted that a woman can "come back" if she wants (a recent Northwestern University study undergirds this by showing that, in contrast to men, both straight and gay women were just as sexually aroused by watching girl-on-girl action as they were a man and a woman having sex: woman have a "bisexual arousal pattern"). In any case, girl-on-girl lust is a good way to get a free drink at a bar, fodder for jovially arousing comedy during a drunken office Christmas party.
   But nobody likes a bisexual man.
   Even in an unconcerned metropolis like New York, it's not easy being bi. Jonathan Becker, twenty-nine, moved to the city to "find a nice Jewish girl to marry" seven years ago, but also to be someplace where he could explore sex with men. "I'd have these incredibly unsuccessful relationships with girls and these really weird, close relationships with guys," he says. "There wasn't a question of an attraction to women, but it was hard to figure out what level of bisexuality is normal. And since men are so normally homophobic, it's hard to ask someone."
   After having his first relationship with a man shortly after he moved to the city, Becker found his way to a coming-out support group and was introduced to a number of young gay men who didn't like the bar scene.
   "I was the token bisexual," he says. "There was a certain amount of bi prejudice. If I liked a guy, someone would say, 'Watch out, he's bisexual!' It would almost always mean I wouldn't get a chance with that person. After a while, I'd do the quasi-in-the-closet thing, saying that my sexuality was nobody's business." But it caught up with him. "I'd go on dates with people, and somebody else would go over to them and say, 'How do you deal with his bisexuality? A lot of people can't, you know.' And that would just kill it."

He's noticed that "thirty to forty percent" of guys online are bisexual and cheating on their wives or girlfriends.

   Becker chalks this up to "the heterophobia of gay guys. It's always assumed that, if you're bi, you'll end up with a girl."
    "I came out as being gay when I was nineteen," says bi poster boy Skott, who at the time was an undergraduate at Ithaca College. "I knew that I liked guys, and I knew that meant I wasn't straight." He defined himself as gay for a year and a half, before he found the courage to come out again as bi.
   "What caused me to come out was the feeling that I was hiding something," he says. "I was watching who I was looking at, cutting out the girls. I'd literally gone from one closet to another with my gay male friends."
   That's why, when Skott gives a lecture, sometimes closeted bi's will "come up to me afterward and whisper that they're bi too. People are like ashamed or something . . . they're closeted in this pride group."
   The logic is easy enough to understand: it's difficult enough to be gay, and people want to keep the numbers up. If bi's can melt back into the general heterosexual population seemingly at will, then it makes them not quite trustworthy.
   E, a twenty-nine-year-old Los Angeleno whom I met on bicupid.com, a bisexual personals site, has been out for ten years. But as gay, not bi: he's just on the site "for titillation. I think it's cool when men are willing and comfortable with crossing the gay line. Not for relationships though, because he would eventually have to choose a sex. Dunno if I could trust him to stick to one team."
    "The guys I would date would usually try and convince me to drop girls completely," says Daniel, a nineteen-year-old bi guy from Houston. "It's like dating crazy goth people — they try and draw you into their world of any other outcasty-type person."
   Daniel dated his first guy right after his first girlfriend, between ninth and tenth grade. (“I was like, fuck it," he recalls.) Today, he's with a girl; she knows he's bi and is cool with it. Not that Houston is exactly a hotbed of bisexuality, but Daniel knows a couple of others. "People seem kinda surprised, I think, because they don't know from the start, this guy is gay," he says. "When he's someone you hung around with, when you've met his girlfriend, yet you find out he's kissed more guys than she has, it tends to throw you for a loop.
   Simple as it may seem, Daniel's teen chutzpah is probably the future of being bi: you just force people to accept it.
   Though it's far from the model of the closeted straight guy, cheating on his wife Far From Heaven-style, a bi guy in a straight relationship raises an element of instability in a woman's mind: What if I can't satisfy him? E., who eschews gay bars for internet hook-ups, says that he's noticed that "thirty to forty percent" of guys online are bisexual and cheating on their wives or girlfriends. "Quite a few tend to have girlfriends or wives already, so they're meeting on the sly," he says. "Very interesting phenomenon."
   This is exactly what terrifies most women about bisexuality. It's also what powered the idea that bi guys were the secret vectors bringing HIV to the straights. That was the point of the 1987 Newsweek piece, and it's why, in 1989, Cosmopolitan published a primer on how to tell if your guy was "really" gay ("If a man's eyes follow other men, be very cautious.")

Jonathan has resolved to limit his female dating to just bi girls, which has led him down another bisexual rabbit hole.

    Which brings us to another problem of bi guy-girl relations: shared scooping of hot guys. It's one thing to gush over Jake Gyllenhaal with your gay best friend, but it's a bigger conceptual leap for most women to accept that Jake might be skulking around in your boyfriend's head while he's sexing her up. Even as more girls are actively getting off on gay porn ("there's just more cock to watch!" enthuses my friend Alice, thirty-three, who borrowed Sauna Paridiso from a gay friend and never returned it), it's a deal breaker for most women, at least relationship-wise.
   "It's fairly irrational," says Jonathan. "It's a big problem for women that I can appreciate what a good-looking guy is. Women couldn't really grasp that I could do that." Or that, in the end, their guy will want something they can't (at least anatomically) provide. It's the flip side of the reason that gays have so little patience with bisexuals, that in the end they'll go with the "heterosexual privilege" that a woman can provide. One of the ways that homosexuality has been sold, and accepted, is the idea that gays are, in some ways, essentially different — but that they want to be in committed long-term relationships like heterosexuals do. It's safe that way. But if both the man and the woman are interested in being bi, then it cranks the number of variables way up. It leaves open the possibility of polyamory, of endless variations of partners. The assumption: bisexuality is inherently unstable.
   There's also an implied sexual skittishness, a feeling that a bi guy just can't quite be counted on. "You might leave me for someone else," is how Skott describes the fear. "Well, hello, that could happen in any relationship." And a bi guy still has parents holding out hope that he'll eventually settle down — with a girl — and give them grandkids. Daniel thinks he'll probably end up that way. Skott's keeping his options open as he travels around talking up bisexuality. Meanwhile, Jonathan has resolved to limit his female dating to just bi girls, which has led him down another bisexual rabbit hole — trying to navigate a polyamorous relationship in which you have multiple partners of different sexes. Not long ago, Jonathan was involved in a tricky "triad," which "in the bi community and the polyamorous community is a big goal," he says. He tried it with his last bi girlfriend, but it didn't work out.
   Bisexuality has long been, at least in theory, a kind of ideal: as my friend Nelson pines for a possibly imaginary "Europeanness," wherein being gay isn't an irreparable erotic rift with the rest of society, and you can do whom you want.
    Well, the boundaries are breaking down a bit, at least outside of relationships. Anecdotal evidence from certain private colleges and liberal urban high schools hint that there's a fever dream of male bisexuality out there, enough to thrill the most sublimated Bret Easton Ellis character. Younger guys are experimenting more. With our culture awash in images of nubile men, it's no surprise that homoeroticism is no longer as alarming as it used to be. Maybe it's even a bit inviting — under controlled circumstances (there's little indication that many men are actually living as bi). In the mid-1990s, Harvard professor Marjorie Garber wrote Vice Versa: Bisexuality and the Eroticism of Everyday Life, a book in which she argued for the existence of "virtual bisexuality," in which everyone has the capacity to be turned on by hot images, whether they're male or female. And more and more, this is beginning to be the case.

Our culture doesn't know how to see bisexuality," says Ochs. "We identify people by what they're doing."

    As Robyn Ochs, the author of the Bisexual Resource Guide and the teacher of the Tufts course on bisexuality, says, "My original definition of bisexuality was the potential to be attracted to people regardless of gender. That has changed tremendously. My current definition is that I call myself bisexual because I acknowledge in myself the potential of to be attracted to people of more than one sex, not necessarily at the same time, or in the same way or the same degree."
   Back to Kinsey: his famous '50s-era scale only ran from 0 to 6. But the most advanced bisexual theory claims that your score depends on a number of other variables, including duration and intensity of feeling, what you want, what you do and when you do it. And it acknowledges that these criteria can change over time.
   "Our culture doesn't know how to see bisexuality," says Ochs, whose classes tend to be eighty percent female. "We identify people by what they're doing. A man walking down the street holding hands with a man is gay. If he's holding hands with a woman, he's straight."
   That's what needs to change: bisexuality needs to somehow just be taken down a peg. It simply isn't that big a deal. So why can't we, as Nelson wanted to know, be more like the Europeans? (Or at least Nelson's romantic, possibly false idea of Europeans.)
   Darren Mitchell, twenty-four, went to England to figure it out. He'd dated girls at the small, Jesuit school he attended as an undergrad, but it wasn't until he'd studied abroad in London that he decided to try dating boys. When he returned to the U.K. for grad school last year, he started hanging out in the bohemian precincts of East London, where, more or less, anything goes. Gays and straights mingle with a bit of cross-over.
   "A lot of my guy friends here hook up with girls and guys as well," he says. "Here in London, there are more bi guys. In America, girls can exhaust their curiosity" about same-sex sex, partly because it's porno-sanctioned. "Guys want to see two girls to go at it." But in Darren's case, people tell him he's old enough to have figured out which he prefers by now. Even if he doesn't think so. "It's so easy to pull girls," he says. "It makes me wonder if I'm more gay than straight. To me, its just easier. Maybe I'll settle for any girl. But I can be choosier about guys. I see a pretty girl and I don't scan her for the five-point test."
   Yet even in Europe, boyfriends get antsy when you look at girls, and you don't necessarily even tell a girl about your boyfriend. "It doesn't come up," Darren sighs. "I have a few girls say, 'Are you gay?' I'm like, why would you ask that? She says, 'You're skin's really soft and you're sensitive.' I don't deny it. That was this past Friday. I told her I use Oil of Olay a lot. She didn't find that funny."
   The fundamental fact is, though, that for all the societal scolding, the category-bashing and rock-star cachet-ing, bisexuality is basically about having relationships with other people. For all of its outdated swingerish implications, in the end, it's just dating. Relationships are, after all, about choosing an individual — at least for a while — regardless of social category or gender preference.
   In Darren's case, his longest relationship with a guy lasted eight months. Ultimately, he found it unexpectedly similar to going out with a girl. "You have the same problems and arguments and issues," he says. "I expected it to be . . . I don't know. The first time I had sex with a guy, I expected butterflies to come out. But they didn't. It's the exact same thing."  








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ABOUT THE AUTHOR:
Carl Swanson is a freelance writer who is frantic enough about his romantic life without attempting to be bisexual, too. He writes for New York magazine and The New York Times, mostly, and lives in New York City.

©2003 Carl Swanson and hooksexup.com

Comments ( 30 )

That I'm the first person to send feedback attests to the unattractiveness of the subject and the loneliness bisexual guys feel... At least if you're gay or straight you're on a team. If you're bi it's treated as a liminal phase, a sign of confusion (if you're a bi girl, there's almost no stigma attached- it's even sexy, expected). But as so well stated in another article, confusion is the only honest repsonse to sexuality-and in that sense bisexuals are just being honest.
DK commented on Jul 01 03 at 7:16 am
a standard joke about bisexuality in the heartland is " i'm buysexual, every bit of sex i get, i have to buy it." this, by the way is probably the worst type of sex that you can get, enough to make a guy throw up, at least in my case.
nfw commented on Jul 01 03 at 8:52 am
thanks...I needed that. and as a bi guy, I think everyone else could use a little enlightenment, as well.
etc commented on Jul 01 03 at 10:39 am
It's about time someone wrote an article like this! I am so sick to death of the gender double-standard that exists toward bisexuality. As a male feminist I recognize that most gender double-standards tend to benefit MALES however this is a case where the reverse is true. As a bisexual male I am tired of having my sexuality devalued by both straight AND gay people. And mainstream culture is openly HOSTILE towards male bisexuality. I think the biggest problem stems from straight men who feel threatened by bisexual men (for whatever reason). I think the author is correct that males tend to be MUCH more homophobic than females. Another factor not mentioned by the author which contributes to biphobia (towards both sexes) is that much of mainstream society has accepted the idea that homosexuals "can't help it, they're born that way." But bisexuals are ATTRACTED to members of the opposite sex but CHOOSE to date members of the same sex as well. Blaphemy! Americans need to loose the "either/or" attitude that seems to be so ingrained in our culture.
JAB commented on Jul 01 03 at 10:49 am
Yup - it's all true. Good article. Depressing too. Made me realise that one of the reasons i've been single for so long is that gay guys think i'm straight and straight girls think i'm gay. sigh :-) But as for the point that "it's exactly the same" i'd have to disagree. I used to think that but when it comes down to it, i find being held by a man is very different to holding a woman, for example, or the other way round, or, er, something. see, i'm not confused at all :-) no really - i just love both those things in and of themselves because they just are, and they reveal different truths, but i suppose it's ultimately the same truth, so maybe the comment was right after all. phew. :-/
SL commented on Jul 01 03 at 11:09 am
I really enjoyed this article immensely. I believe that bisexuality is probably more regular that it seems, it's just sub-surface because people need polarities to feel comfortable. Fence sitting has always been viewed as non-commital or transitory. Human animals are transitory creatures, not static and unchanging (okay, well maybe some are unchanging). I think it is natural and not something to fear or loathe when one experiences feeling for another person of the same sex/gender identification. This article is wonderful to read and well written. Thanks!
CG commented on Jul 01 03 at 11:13 am
I disagree that there's a double standard for bi women and bi men. Yes, the straight male girl-on-girl fantasy is out there. But ask the guy how he'd feel if she's actually casually dating a woman at the same time she's dating a man... I think you'll hear a different story. I've also spent a fair amount of time in the lesbian community, and you certainly hear the same "you'll leave me for a man" message. Just because it's a media fashion or hip in some communities doesn't mean the phobic beliefs aren't still there. A bit of girl experience is far different than bringing her home to meet mom.
-sj commented on Jul 01 03 at 11:36 am
why do I HAVE to accept anything? if I think homosexuality is unnatural, that's my right. the people who are oppressed are the ones who voice that opinion.
ch commented on Jul 02 03 at 12:12 am
Great Article! I'm a huge fan of Marjorie Garber's "Bisexuality and the Eroticism of Everyday Life" which anyone reading this article and this feedback MUST read. I think the important point about societal pressure- either homophobic or bi-phobic or straight-phobic, is that these pressures makes it difficult for people to understand the complexities of their own desire. But understanding these complexities is what makes LOVE possible. Because isn't that what we are all really looking for? As a woman, I took years to admit that I was bisexual. All my straight friends thought I was straight, all my gay friends thought I was lesbian, but objectively I was celibate. I thought I was confused, and that I was fighting against the entire lesbian community whenever I was turned on by a man. What I was really confused about was love and intimacy, not sexual orientation. What I finally realized is that bisexuality is the only thing that makes sense to me! Now the really interesting challenge is getting inside of that- realizing that yes, on one hand, the experience of being with a man or a woman is both the same, and significantly different. And instead of experiencing that difference as a litmus test for my 'real' identity- I'm able to experience it as a moment in time spent exploring with another human. Beautiful! I tease my gay friends these days and try to get them to admit that they are bisexual. If I push hard enough they tell me of course, they could be/are turned on by the opposite sex. Bisexuality scares the shit out of people- not only because of vague political concepts around privilege and power... but because it raises very deep questions about sexual energy and intimacy that we barely have language for. Jung is good on that, so is Garber. Enjoy!
SW commented on Jul 01 03 at 1:38 pm
I think what makes both straight and gay people nervous about bisexuality is that it highlights that our sexuality is ultimately performative, and not essentially based in any single, stable or cohesive subjectivity. I identify as a great big fag, but, I have found myself attracted to a woman!? This says to me that the terms "gay" and "straight" are (wait for it) limiting. What it is really about (and what it has been about since we stopped thinking of homosexual acts as sin or pathology and began to think of them as the defining acts of subjectivies) is a mediation of what culturally available subject position you feel comfortable
PH commented on Jul 01 03 at 5:21 pm
.... damn ... well done! Your statement "... But nobody likes a bisexual man. ..." is sooo true. Only a few women get turned on by it ... most get turned off because they are threatened or just plain don't like it. Bizexual men are have a huge stigma against them, while bisexual women are very accepted. Men are threatened by it, women are too or grossed out ... very sad. I guess I am bisexual because I had two encounters with men (though it was more for experimentation ... I really was sort of luke-warm in the turn-on department ... guess I like women better!) and while my best friend (who is a woman) was very turned on by the idea, I think this is the exception. Perhaps in 100 year, things will be different ... let's hope.
EGM commented on Jul 01 03 at 5:30 pm
Thanks for putting out this great atricle. I "knew" that I was bisexual at the age of 15 after having my first sexual encounters with both a guy and a girl (seperately). For some reason it didn't really make any difference to me form the begining and of course I was just a ball of rageing hormones and ready to jump at anything. Throughout highschool I had a steady "fuck-buddy", but both of us continued to date and have sex with girls. After moving out on my own I got pretty caught up in the gay world (because there was no bisexual comminity) and quickly found that there was no place for a "bi" in the gay community, so I tried to pretend I was gay. After a year of two of this I just couldn't lie to myself anymore and completly removed myself fom anyone and anything gay and entered into my first long term relationship with a woman. Over the next 10 or so years I dated only women, with the exception of a few "one-nighters" with guys. Several years ago my 3-year relationship with a girl ended and since then I've been single and have had the most difficult time dating. Girls seem to very quickly decide I'm gay for all the typical reasons: I'm sensitive, I'm a nice guy and I have a flair for design. I never could figure out how being a nice, sensitive guy aoutmatically made you a "cock-sucker". I am very masculine and have none (that I'm aware) of the typical gay or feminine personality traits. On the other hand, I have tried dating a few guy's, but it just dosen't feel right for me to even think of any kind of a long term relationship with a man, so again those were just short encounters. At this point know that I want a woman in my life and I'm really over any thoughts of men, though fantasies will probably persist for the rest of my life.
BSA commented on Jul 01 03 at 6:53 pm
That was a much needed article. I was straight, then I kissed a girl and fell in love and I was gay. But, there have been times inbetween when I've thought of men and wondered if I was bi. It can be hard to determine b/c it's such a wide open category. I think the best conclusion is that sexuality is fluid--it can go left or go right depending on all kinds of influences and circumstances in your life. No one should have to feel badly for the way they feel or whether the person they feel like fucking at a particular time has a dick or a pussy--who cares! That's all it really boils down to. As having identified with the gay community for the past several years--the bi bias is definitely there, and it is such an incredible double standard. The Bi's have more right to bitch than anyone. The gays gush on about how it's not our faults on who we fall in love with etc., and it's not--but then to go hold bi's accountable--it's a sad thing that needs analysis in the gay community.
commented on Jul 01 03 at 11:48 pm
"It leaves open the possibility of polyamory, of endless variations of partners." This is what the world fears, and yet the polyamory community deals with it quite well, thankyou. And my god... to have love spread all over, to more than One Other... what joy! Perhaps the biggest phobia to overcome is the fear of more than two. Tackle that, and the world opens up.
KAT commented on Jul 02 03 at 10:46 am
I'm a hormone-driven 16 year old and I also have had male-on-male sexual experiences. Growing up the thought of finding a man attractive never came to mind, but as times changed during the mid-90s I noticed same sex orientation was being tolerated more. During junior high, I'd maintane a crush on a girl that I'd love spending nights talking to, dreaming of, and having sexual fantasies while at the same time performing fellatio on my male-best friend. I think this article definitely points out the good point that same-sex sex has become more tolerable among society so I've decided to explore. I'd say I hate labels, but then that would put me into a whole other category that are despised by gays AND straights. I say go with what feels good there and then.
AN commented on Jul 03 03 at 1:21 am
Thanks so much for the great article. I was actually very surprised to read about all that negativity over bi men. I am a straight woman who has dated straight men who have had sex with other men and also one full-on bi man. I never had any issues with it, and, if anything, found it a bit of a turn on. There was something about knowing that my man felt comfortable enough with himself and his body to just follow his intuition and do what felt right to him, rather than what society hands down that made me respect him deeply. I actually enjoyed scoping out guys together. It helped me understand him better, knowing what turned him on. I never worried that I would "lose him to a man." I just want to put it out there that some of us straight women actually wish there were more bi guys to choose from.
jc commented on Jul 04 03 at 12:18 am
i skipped lunch to read this article-it was that good. for me the most frustrating part is dealing with the double standard of bi females vs. bi males. if a girl with a steady boyfriend makes out with another girl, its cheers, hi-fives and applause all around. should a guy with a steady girlfriend even admit the attractiveness of another guy, he is immediately ostracized by people and friends of both sexes, and the whispering begins. i always cringed when a girlfriend of mine kissed anoither girl and then dismissed it as "just having fun." its like it was the cool thing to do for a while. had i ever acted on ANY of my desires to even simply flirt with an attractive guy, it would have been "relationship over you queer."
ca commented on Jul 03 03 at 1:25 pm
I'm a fag. Now, my favorite guys attraction-wise are bisexual, but it seems to turn out that water follows the path of least resistance and so do bisexuals--at some point, they join the happyland of heterosexual commitment. I don't blame them for copping out on homosexuality because it's supposedly so taboo, although that factors in plenty of cases; I more figure they abandon homosexuality because with a chick you get the grand world of cross-gender mystery (a guy never figures out a girl completely) as well as the chance at having kids. Cross-gender mystery is one of the great push-pull phenomena that so defines attraction, which has to be there for any love or sex that goes beyond mere bodies. The fact that straight dating isn't taboo may just be icing on the cake for the bisexual who goes back to chicks. So, I always feel a pang of contempt for bi guys complaining that gay guys ostracize them; it's only a pre-emptive defense, and hey--you may hate the decisionmaking process but we can't even fathom it! This is it, for us: make queer love work, die trying, or die alone. Still, I would never out a bisexual or actually hurt them as that poor guy in the article had happen to him. There's no excuse for that kind of cruelty. I just keep an eye on my heart so it doesn't break while I'm fucking them. I think it's worthwhile to keep bisexuals in my life even if I know there's not much chance of long-term. There's somethin' special about them there ol' bisexshals. But know this: if you are bi and you make a serious attempt at a relationship with another guy, I will buy you free drinks any time and anoint your adopted children with a million blessings. Don't doubt the worth of guy-love, because doubting it, like with any love, ruins it before you get it.
an commented on Jul 03 03 at 4:16 pm
For a long time, I have preferred the guys I date to be bi, although the reason why is nebulous, at best. Partly it's because I'm a bi female, and I feel like a bi guy "knows how I feel" to some extent, and that it's just another thing to have in common. I also feel that they are more open in myriad different ways. But mostly, I just think it's hot as fuck, and I deeply enjoy hearing some naughty stories about boys playing with boys, just like they like to hear about girl/girl playtime. Makes me feel like a different kind of outcast sometimes, as all of my female friends find this notion disgusting. Sort of a buzzkill. So I keep my dirty thoughts to myself, which is okay by me.
cr commented on Jul 03 03 at 7:21 pm
I'm a woman and I say, bring on the (out) bi men! I've been dating bi men for about eight years now, and my only complaint is a societal bias that makes some of my favourite love/lust objects so hard to find, cause they're hiding from everyone else's prejudices.
JLB commented on Jul 04 03 at 12:24 pm
Hey Carl - Wonderful, well-written article! Bravo! But you left out yet ANOTHER form of discrimination against bi males: The women I have dated are not only threatened because they fear "instability" or promiscuity but because men who sleep with men (particularly in a male-dominated, patriarchal society) throw the hetero "attraction dynamics" out of whack. In other words, many straight women actually have trouble being aroused by/attracted to a man who might be turned on by other men. Conversely, men are hardly ever threatened by a girlfriend who might fancy other women. This is a sad-but-true double standard that I have discovered first-hand. Best, Frank Santopadre (bi, 40-ish writer)
fs commented on Jul 04 03 at 2:23 am
What an excellent article. My husband is bisexual. He came out as gay in high school, dated men for a while, and then fell in love with a woman. He lost far more friends when he started dating women than when he started dating men. It's sad, but I sometimes feel like he's done a disservice to the gay community. His mother, homophobic from the start, is thoroughly convinced of that "homosexuality is just a phase" bullshit. If only she knew what we sometimes get up to. If only she read our Hooksexup Personals profile. We invited her step-grandchildren to the pride parade with us and she looked at us like we were crazy and said "you still go to that?" I will admit that some of the fears of gay men dating bi men might have some basis. My husband wants children, in fact, he plans on becoming a full-time father in a few years. And it's far easier for a hetero couple to do that than two men. I recently had a long online conversation with a woman, living pretty mainstream, who's husband had just come out to her as bi. She was devastated. She was afraid she wasn't satisfying him, that he was not going to be happy if he wasn't simultaneously involved with a woman and a man. I told her that many men are attracted to both blondes and brunettes, but it doesn't mean they require both. Many commit to just one person, just one gender. I think one of the biggest misconceptions people have is that a bisexual person can never commit to a relationship. Or, if they do, they are no longer bisexual. I was surprised to read that many women don't like to talk about attractive men with their partners. I love that aspect of my relationship. "Hey, sweetie, do you think he's cute?" It's great, it's fun. I myself am bisexual only in that "hey, I'm a chick, other chicks are hot, want a threesome?" socially-acceptable kind of way, so we discuss hot girls too. Interestingly, my hubby and I usually agree on which men are attractive but often disagree about women.
tdr commented on Jul 04 03 at 11:39 am
Being married and bi myself. I have seen some of the things mentioned in the artical, and have even experianced some of the predudice. Also being a swinger in my 40's, i have seen a lot of changes taking place over the years. Though finding another couple where both are bi and compatible with both of us, is proving to be simialer to the quest for the holy grail.
FAP commented on Jul 04 03 at 1:53 pm
Just wanted to speak up as another woman who finds bisexuality in men a turn-on, not turn-off. I love to hear a man tell me about his gay experiences, and what he appreciates about other men's bodies. I only wish I had an easier time finding more bi men to date.
TS commented on Jul 04 03 at 7:56 pm
hey man good article and reminder that sexuality (as any identity facet) is fluid, if sometimes stagnant for folks ;-) um, what's the five-point test?? peace
djb commented on Jul 04 03 at 8:02 pm
I am a 49 year old bi artist who used to be active in politics. The main thing I have learned in my 30 some years of activism is that some things are much easier in theory than in practice and I believe bisexuality is one of them. For one thing, the potential complications are twice as numerous. The lesbians hate you, the straight men view you as "ew la la," the straight women think you're coming on to them and the invisible bi man, well... Don't get me wrong, I love men. I was practically thrown out of the Women's Movement for loving them TOO much but the invisible bi man, well ... I hope I find a better one someday. Vicki Moore
VM commented on Jul 05 03 at 1:07 pm
I think I saw one other person who saw what I saw in this article. I did enjoy it quite a bit, it brought forth a lot of the issues I face every day, but I don't think that bi women are accepted as much as the article makes it seem. When I first came out I said that I was bi. This was in high school, and everyones reaction was 'she'll come around.' They either meant 'she'll be straight one day' or 'she'll be gay one day.' I got super involved in activism, and I ran a GSA. I got to college, still claiming bisexuality, and still getting the same reactions. I was introduced to a new term, queer, and I found that I identify more with that. While I am attracted to males and females, I am, more than anything, attracted to gayness. This makes lesbian relationships easier but the problem... I still like guys. The straight people I know are fine with the queer identity, the gay people I know are more ok with queer than bi, but they still think I just like girls. I face much more discrimination from the gay community than I do the straight community, which is nuts to me. I will be active in the queer community for the rest of my life, and I think that for the rest of my life I will be fighting the internal discrimination that forces many people just like me into a label that doesn't really fit them.
CHS commented on Jul 05 03 at 2:53 pm
it is kind of strange (sad) that the author felt it necesssary to deny being bi himself in the bio
lh commented on Jul 05 03 at 3:49 pm
Profound article. Very good read, and it has reassured me.
LB commented on Jul 08 03 at 1:58 pm
Thanks for your article on the difficulties of being bisexual. I'm a bi female in an open relationship with a bi male, and it's tricky. So many women have sex with other women for the benefit of their boyfriends that it seems to many that that's what I do. Not so. Also, trying to get involved with the gay-straight alliance at school (a private, Jesuit university) has proved impossible: the gays dislike bisexuals, and lesbians in particular can be very nasty to bi girls. It's so frustrating! Thanks much for writing about us. Bisexuals are ignored too often.
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