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 PERSONAL ESSAYS







After four or five weeks, it was pretty clear that Jack and I were a couple, by any definition. And not just any couple, but a Nauseating New Couple. We had developed a routine. He would come over to my place after work, and I'd kiss him in the doorway. He'd say, "I missed you," then I'd say, "I missed you too," entirely earnest, but kind of wanting to just lie down and die, because — let's face it — these were some pretty deep depths I had sunk to.
    We held hands a lot. I called him "baby" without realizing it. We watched a lot of DVDs together. We finished each other's thoughts, especially the ones about druids. And if I'd been worried about the sex when I heard he'd only been with one other girl — well, suffice it to say those fears were quelled. I was getting it good, and often. And strangely enough, every morning at 5:30. You could set your watch to it.


Thing is, I'm a shitty girlfriend. You could fuck me all day and take me out to dinner, and I'd still flirt with the cute waiter while you were in the bathroom. That's how it goes. If I find someone attractive, I want to mess around with them, simple as that. It's not so much infidelity as it is greed. And pragmatism: if your relationship collapses, why not have a blue-eyed, nineteen-year-old painter as backup?
    Believe me — this is no double standard. I'm not jealous. It's not that I've never felt jealousy and am incapable of doing so. I'd just prefer that my boyfriend go to his high-school reunion and fuck the cheerleader he never got to, than have him thinking about it and forcing me to deal with that shit on a subliminal level. In fact, it's almost a thrill: he fucks the cheerleader, then comes back for more from me. (Unless he doesn't, at which point I enlist my friends to publicly announce that he routinely told me, "Your touch is like the wing of a thousand birds.")

Old slutty habits die hard.

     Not everyone thinks this way, though. Jack, in particular, does not. Jack holds the perfectly reasonable view that, by being with him, I am relinquishing my right to fuck — or for that matter, kiss, grope, or solicit — others. The same, naturally, goes for him. I understood this from the beginning, but it doesn't stop me from trying to find loopholes.
    I am talking to Lili about this exact problem at Lit one night, right before I lose her to that really danceable Kinks song and a dark-haired man in a leather jacket. I get another drink from the bar, and when I turn around, that same guy is standing behind me, muttering. He has some sort of incomprehensibly thick British accent. I ask him to repeat himself.
     "What's with your Lili?" he says.
     "She's Russian," I begin. She offers this as a catch-all explanation for her behavior, so I figure I might as well too. "Why?"
     "Well, I'm there, dancing with her. She's a lovely girl. I kiss her at a certain point. I turn around for a half a second, and she's kissing someone else."
     "And?"
    "Well, that's unpleasant enough. But she says to me that she became confused because we both had leather jackets. Maybe it's time to take that one home."
    "Oh, no, she does that. If you want to make out with her, you could probably confuse her again. Just stand near him." I'm a bit jealous or depressed. Or something. On the dance floor, Lili seems very free and beautiful and silly, dancing, kissing, being confused by jackets, and that all seems awfully inaccessible to me right now.
    "Carrie, right?" the man says. "I'm Will." I shake his hand. We talk for a bit before Lili comes over, wanting to leave. It's 3:45, and I suggest going to an after-hours place. With a glance, I invite Will along. He follows us. As we weave down Avenue B, he and Lili barely speak, and I shuttle between them with empty chatter. At our destination, there's a smarmy-looking blond man collecting money. This is new.
    "Ten each," he says.
    "Oh, no," I explain, patiently, smiling, twirling my hair. "We're with Slow Loris Promotions." This is my made-up promotions company. It serves its purpose well. He hesitates. "Slow Loris?" I sigh, rolling my eyes. "Check your list." He looks at the list for a moment, then looks back up at me, confused. "Slow. Loris. Slow Loris. Maybe it's under Jay's name?" Jay. There's always someone named Jay on a list. The door guy is about to wave us in when Lili offers:
    "What if we give you five for all three of us?"

    I nudge her, but his resolve has returned.
    "Ten a head." I snort self-righteously and walk away. When I get myself into this mode, I'm able to convince myself that I have actually been slighted. Lili and Will follow.
    "That was bullshit," Lili says. "Wanna just go home and finish off the whiskey?" So that's exactly what we do. Lili eventually goes to bed, leaving Will and I alone, watching TV on the couch. I'm not oblivious to the implications of this, but I'm not too worried, either. Then, when I turn to ask him whether he'd rather watch this shitty Japanese cartoon or this other shitty Japanese cartoon, he full-on kisses me. I'm motionless, making the mental kiss-back-or-don't-kiss-back calculation, when he unsnaps my shirt. I lean away and mumble, "Bad idea. Boyfriend."
    He's the next to pass out, and is still there the next day when my friend Drew comes by for brunch. Will leaves the building with us. Once he's disappeared down the street, Drew arches an eyebrow at me and asks, "Aren't you seeing . . . ?"
    "Yeah. Nothing happened with this guy. It's weird, though, having a hot guy in your house, into you, and not being able to do anything about it. Wanting to, sort of, but . . . old slutty habits die hard, huh?"
    Drew's recently made a policy of being faithful to his boyfriend, and I ask him how he manages this. The answer he gives me involves the word "sanctity," and I tune out. At the end he adds, "So you're not into him, just think he's cute?"


There are probably people incapable of monogamy, just as there are people incapable of understanding the desire to fuck around.

    "Pretty much." Drew shrugs. Wait . . . if I don't like him, does it even count?
    The next time I'm with Jack, I ask, "What if I fuck people I don't like?"
    "What?" he asks, distracted. He's used to my hypothetical questions at this point. He thumbs through the New Yorker to some article about SUVs that he was telling me about earlier. He is the youngest person ever to have a subscription to the New Yorker. It's not normal.
     "If I have no interest in seeing someone ever again. If I just think they're hot. Would it be a problem if I slept with them?"
    "What? Yes, absolutely." He's a bit more attentive and agitated now, looking up at me and away from his magazine, eyebrows furrowed.
    "But why?"
    "Are you serious?" He pauses for a second, and I guess he realizes that I am. "I'm ill thinking about it," he says with surprising emphasis, shaking his head.
    "But why?" I ask. I'm actually quite frustrated. I need him to agree with me, so I don't have to expend time and effort learning how not to make out with everyone.
    "I don't know, exactly. Why is it something you need to do?"
    I don't have a good answer. "There are just things about the ways I could act before I had a boyfriend that ... not that I miss exactly . . . but that haven't entirely worn out their appeal. And you, um, should realize that."
    "Are you trying to say you're concerned you'll cheat on me?"
    "I guess so. Would you break up with me?"
    "Probably. I don't want to share you."
    This is startling. I thought limited cheating was sort of expected, not something you make a big deal about. And although I'm flattered by Jack's unwillingness to "share me," isn't the whole idea of being "shared" kind of male? But his hand, which before was resting calmly on my thigh, is distractedly kneading it, and I think he's upset. Having done that makes me sick, so I say, "Don't worry, baby. You're right. It's not something I need."
    Which it isn't. There are probably people who are incapable of monogamy, just as there are people incapable of understanding the desire to fuck around. I'm not one of those. I was with one guy — fairly effectively — through much of college. I have been A Girlfriend. At eighteen, that took a bit of getting used to, but not as much as being single did two years later. It's been twenty months since then, and I've spent about half that time learning and re-learning singleness. And getting good at it. Really good. I know most of my limits, knew which of those limits I want to push, know whom I want to kiss, whom I want to sleep with, how to be a good wingman, how to cut your losses and cab it home. I am fucking SHAOLIN. Balance. Poise. Eye of the dragon. That I am willing to upset this balance for Jack surprises me. It is an indication of how much I care about him, but it also seems like a pain in the ass. And what if we break up and I have to figure out singleness again? Double pain in the ass.
    Pain in the ass or not, though, I agree to No Random Boys. I am fooling myself if I think I'll leave it at that, though. It's not for nothing that my father fondly (or maybe not-so-fondly) calls me "a pit bull on the pant leg of opportunity." I continue to watch for ways to make the situation swing my way. I assume that when I run into Nina at a party, I have one.
    Nina is a friend of a friend, someone I don't know well but am aesthetically attracted to. With her dark pixie cut and tight red sweater, she looks particularly adorable tonight. We've kissed once before, and I always figured we'd kiss again. Jack is off somewhere when we step outside for a cigarette. I can feel the heat radiating from her. Our knees touch, then the tips of our fingers. She kisses me or I kiss her, then I start laughing. "I have a total mini-crush on you," I say.
     "Oh yeah?" She raises her eyebrows. She's fresh like that, sarcastic and disinclined to bullshit, but she seems like she's at least a little interested.
     "Uh-huh..." I've gone weak-kneed and stupid.
    "So that's your boyfriend?" She's still looking at me with one eyebrow raised, taking a drag off her cigarette.
     "Yeah." I kick at the film of ice over a puddle.
     "We should go back in, huh?" It's a little flirtatious, the way she says it, like she's daring me not to.
     "Yeeeeeaah, guess." We kiss again. It's nice. Someone hits their head on the door frame. And we go back in, the backs of our hands touching for a second, then falling away.


Who doesn't like girls making out, right? It's like ice cream.

     Back at my house, Jack and I are talking in the dark and I tipsily mention that Nina and I had kissed. It doesn't occur to me that he might be anything less than thrilled. Who doesn't like girls making out, right? It's like ice cream. He is silent.
     "Hey, you there?" I ask.
     "Could you not do that?" He's annoyed.
     What? "But why not? It's a girl."
     "That really doesn't matter to me. Could you not?"
     "But . . . girls are different. They're littler."
     "So?"
    So. I've never even been that attracted to girls. I max out at about fifteen percent gay. But all of a sudden, the right to hook up with them is something to fight for, a way to declare that I am not going to dive unquestioningly into unquestioning monogamy. Am I really supposed not to kiss Nina if I want to, or not respond when the cute bartender hits on me, simply because they're a couple of weeks, or months, too late?
    "Why are you threatened?" I ask Jack. "It's different from what I have with you entirely."
    He doesn't answer right away, and when he does, his answer doesn't make much sense. His voice is strained, sad and a little angry. So I concede. "Okay. Fine. No girls either."
    No girls. Okay, no girls. "I think he reacted well," Lili tells me the next morning. It's a freezing Saturday, and we're hung over and holed up in our dark living room, watching the History Channel. We have no heat or water and are covered in blankets and Purell. "He thinks girls hooking up is authentic, not just some porntastic shit. Which speaks well of him."
    "But I like being porntastic sometimes," I argue. "Why does he have to take it so seriously?"
    "You're not inspiring a lot of sympathy here."
    "Maybe not. But I'm not being unreasonable, either. Just because he's everyone else's perfect boyfriend doesn't mean he's mine.
    Maybe I don't want a boyfriend. Maybe I don't ever want a boyfriend. Maybe I'm not that kind of person." So there.
    "Sure. So are you going uptown tonight or is he sleeping here?"
    I lift an empty Coke can to my lips and pretend to drink, avoiding the question. Lili snorts.
    That night, I bring a twenty bag up to Jack's place, figuring that smoking with him and his roommate is something to do, considering I'm not going out. I am also, somewhat consciously, trying to stake some ground for myself. I get high — deal with it. I'll stop kissing girls, but getting high is non-negotiable. As if he cares, as if he never smokes. He doesn't mind anything I do or want to do except screw around. I am pretty gone by the time we go to bed, and I assume he is too, but my mission is still clear.
     "So... no girls, right?" I ask tentatively.
    "What? Jesus Christ. Again?" He's not sad or angry, just stoned and tired and disinclined to go over a conversation we've had already.
     "Not at ALL? What if she was with us? Would that be okay?"
     "No," he says patiently.
     "Well, what if it were another guy?"
     "How would that possibly be any better?"
    Fuck. I kind of actually care about this one, if only because I haven't gotten around to it and it seems like I should. Yeah. A profound sense of obligation, definitely the driving factor.
     "Not even Johnny Depp?" It's been established that we both approve of Johnny Depp because we think he might be sort of schizo.
     "No." He's kind of smiling at this point, amused by the ridiculous scenarios his unwillingness to compromise has driven me to.
     "No celebrity exemption for Johnny Depp? Are you fucking joking?" I'm not. That's for sure.
     "Celebrity exemption?"
     "Yeah. We both get to pick one celebrity we're allowed to sleep with if we ever get the chance." Doesn't everyone do this? I feel like in every other relationship I've had, celebrity exemptions have been established within the first week.
     "When are you going to have the chance to sleep with Johnny Depp?"
     "That's not the point."
    "So what is?"
     Argh. "The point is... well, the point is that if Johnny Depp ever... Whatever. The point is fuck you."
     "I see."
     "You get to pick one too, though."
     "Eh, I don't want one."
     "Oh, come on. Humor me."
     "Nope."
     "Penelope Cruz?"
     "Nah."

"I call celebrity exemption for Johnny Depp."

    "Well, you do whatever. I am not flexible on this. I call celebrity exemption for Johnny Depp." He shrugs. "And Adrien Brody." He shrugs again. "You know, he went to my high school. It could happen."
     "Sure thing." He's laughing out loud at this point.
     "And, fine, if you're not taking her, I call Penelope Cruz, too." Shrug. "And Canadians."
     "What?"
     "Canada's famous."
     "Yeah. That one, not so much."
    "But I'm going to be in Montreal on New Year's."
     "How does that help your argument?"
     "Am I really not supposed to kiss anyone on New Year's? Is that even legal?"
     "It is in Canada."
    I sigh and turn my back to him. A half-assed agreement to celebrity exemptions isn't much ground gained. But then again, say I'd hooked up with that guy Will, before I'd met Jack. I would have had fun, would have possibly gotten a good story out of it. But a couple of days later, it would make no difference. Cosmically, it doesn't matter whether I hooked up with him or didn't. So why am I so possessive of the right to? I speak in the direction of the wall, which I sleep next to, otherwise I get pushed out of the bed. Sweet Jesus, I have a side of the bed. "Okay. Know what? I'll stop this. I won't kiss anyone else. I won't ask you about it anymore. I'll be nice."
    "You have been nice," he says.
    "No, I really haven't, actually. But I will. I just want you to know that this isn't nothing for me. Listen, maybe for you, being together means you're automatically not interested in anything else. I'm not like that. It's something I have to actively decide. And pay attention to. Now, I'm deciding it and paying attention to it. And that's not nothing."
    Which it's not. And though I'm still tangibly happy, and though just about everyone is convinced that Jack's the best thing to happen to me in a long time, and I don't disagree, I'm terrified of being compromised or complacent. I think I'm okay with the way things are, because Who I Fuck isn't me, never has been, and it's honestly a bit of a relief not to be on all the time. Still, I'm keeping an eye on myself. I've asked my friends to as well, and if I ever start leaving parties early, just put me out of my misery.

 

Comments ( 48 )

this was a little upsetting, not least because it brought up a lot of issues i've been trying to figure out for myself. i'm starting to think that maybe monogomy isn't the only way, that maybe its not a question of being "able" to be faithful or not, that maybe instead its a question of happiness. what makes me happy is the freedom to make the decisions that affect me, to sleep with whoever i want to sleep with and date who i want to date, without it having to be allowed by my partner. who says that monogamy has to be the default for romantic human relationships anyway? why aren't we questioning this more?
m commented on Jan 27 04 at 1:56 pm
i think this persons right. carrie - don't settle!
commented on Jan 27 04 at 2:02 am
If your not happy with someone move on. If you want to fuck around fuck around. Don't expect any man with a scrap of self respect to hang around with you for too long though.
ajh commented on Jan 27 04 at 4:16 am
if you have to force it, it probably isn't worth forcing
akl commented on Jan 27 04 at 5:47 am
uhh...all this is so EGO. Monogamy isn't simple, but the problem is that you Americans call it Monogamy with a capital M, like it is something out of 7th Heaven. Why not grow up and realize that being exclusive is something that most people prefer, but some don't, and then settle for what you, and your partner want in your relationship. Jack's preference is an emotional need, like any other, he is not representing something Boring or Conservative. Maybe things would be better if Carrie left puberty? "uh..i rilly rilly wanna fuck around, but now he says that i can't? do i really have to make a consideration to another person? what a novel concept. Let me explore that some more.." Having a boyfriend won't make you boring. Bying that notions is truly adopting the whole bible belt notion of Relationships and Monogamy. It's all to do with mental lazines, and Carrie's selfabsorbed musings were a little tedious before jack came into the picture.
eva commented on Jan 27 04 at 8:12 am
C'mon now Carrie. If you were my fuck buddy i couldn't stop you. if you were my GIRLFRIEND i'd feel just like jack.
jmj commented on Jan 27 04 at 10:35 am
hey, can i get nina's number?
ns commented on Jan 27 04 at 12:36 pm
So the revelation you came up with after all this is that monogamy is a choice? You have to be one of the more frustrating superficially self-referencial writers I've ever encountered. You are clearly intelligent, but one of the things most writers possess, an accute questioning eye for their own behavior, seems to completely elude you. One column after offering your best and most promising column, you resort to the following observations: "You could fuck me all day and take me out to dinner, and I'd still flirt with the cute waiter while you were in the bathroom. That's how it goes. If I find someone attractive, I want to mess around with them, simple as that. It's not so much infidelity as it is greed. And pragmatism: if your relationship collapses, why not have a blue-eyed, nineteen-year-old painter as backup?" Pathetic. If you're not even willing to explore your own behavior beyond giving yourself a blanket "Get Out of Jail Free" Card, you shouldn't waste our time with it. You seem to be capable of much more in your writing. And the answer to why you seemed so hell bent on fighting for the right to f*ck someone else, even if you didn't really want to, is very easy to answer. You care more about yourself than you do anyone or anything else in your life. It's not about the right to sleep with someone, it's about someone putting parameters on you that your fighting against. Hopefully you will figure this out, because this column was a step in the wrong direction.
ME commented on Jan 27 04 at 12:40 pm
As someone in a functional open relationship, I'm rather insulted by the idea that not wanting to be monogamous makes one a "bad girlfriend." Among other things. Also, the whole "girls don't count" thing really just sticks in my craw, but hey: I actually like girls, and get sick of the assumption that it's all for show.
LDN commented on Jan 27 04 at 12:51 pm
Carrie's writing inevitabley spawns negative feedback wherein readers rant on and on about her incompetence as a writer, self involvement, etc. If her writing is so annoying to you, why do you bother to read it each month? Why are you so angry/disgusted/put-out/contemptuous? Not that feedback shouldn't include negative comments, but I'm fascinated by the intensity and vitriolic nature of the comments regularly thrown at Carrie.
jk commented on Jan 28 04 at 1:30 am
i agree with the comment below. sometimes it seems like the people who write the intensly negative feedback think that carrie has no feelings. she gets the most extreme negative feedback of anyone.
LML commented on Jan 28 04 at 1:47 am
I LOVE your articles! The writing is great and easy to relate to...just thought I'd let you know.
RS commented on Jan 28 04 at 1:53 am
After I submitted my last comment and read the others, I felt the need to add that I can completely relate to Carrie's writing DESPITE the fact that she seems to be the total opposite of me...I think that that says something.
RS commented on Jan 28 04 at 1:56 am
I relate to Carrie's writings even though I am a Golem made entirely of Mung bean paste. Dance, Golem, dance!
MBG commented on Jan 28 04 at 1:57 am
you're not a "bad girlfriend." you've simply hooked up with a guy who believes in monogamy. you don't. why does that automatically make you the bad one? sounds like you're setting yourself up to "cheat" and then you can beat the shit out of yourself for that, too. get while the gettin's good. he sounds sweet but he doesn't sound like the one for you.
kz commented on Jan 27 04 at 2:23 pm
I can so relate to this feeling. Carrie -- it does not go away. It never does. I've been married for 11 years and was "bad" four times over that span, twice with women and twice with men. I'll be "bad" again, if the opportunity presents itself. It's something I know about myself. It's something my partner denies about me to herself, too. You'll never escape it -- and it pretty much is all about your ego, too. Meditation helps, but nothing will cure you of yourself. Hang in there.
TH commented on Jan 27 04 at 3:02 pm
See, I actually think that the writing is pretty good : I enjoy it -- it's the character behind it that's so annoying. Get OVER yourself.
ml commented on Jan 27 04 at 4:11 pm
It really bothers me when women say stuff like "kissing girls doesn't count." If you don't like them, you probably shouldn't be kissing them, and if you do like them, then it counts. All of this contributes to straight mens' attitudes about bisexuality and lesbianism, which in many cases are stuck at the "oooh, cool, two (pretty, femme) women kissing...." Please don't encourage them.
AH commented on Jan 27 04 at 4:30 pm
Could this get more tedious? That was the last article by this woman I'll read until a few years have passed.
mr commented on Jan 27 04 at 5:16 pm
I think it's not a matter of being a bad or good girlfriend or boyfrien but 1800 romance vs. 22nd centry liberation. It's rather sexy if a person can love just one. Old fashion thinking for the new. great essay! made me paused for just 1 second.
EDZ commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:05 pm
A little reflection and self-analysis can go a long way. Reading Carrie's articles is like listening to my own thoughts circa age 18. Although I agree with some of the comments concerning Carrie's need to grow up, most of them seemed rather tactless. Further, I wonder if it occurred to anyone that Carrie may write this column under a persona, i.e., the negative feedback expresses precisely the emotion she is attempting to evoke.
mm commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:13 pm
ok, enough carrie bashing. her writing is amusing to read, whenever i pop over and it makes me smile from time to time, and thats what its there for. she shouldnt even be critisized because its an article for a magazine, its not fucking nabakov. for what shes supposed to be doing, shes doing a pretty good job of it. what i would like to read next time is more sex stuff. thats what i come in here for, erotic smut. so carrie, if youre reading this, next time try to put in a sentance like, "...and then he licked me till i had a 4 hour multiple orgasm...." or something to that effect.
mo commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:34 pm
Good point, mm. While Carrie
gjn commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:38 pm
On the one hand no one's ever died of suppressing the urge to play around for the sake of keeping a promise to one's mate. You could also say that in the grand scheme of things placing so much emphasis on defending your freedom from the parameters your partner imposes is egotistic, immature, and spoiled because you're pitting a good, healthy, loving relationship against "just sex". Which is more valuable? It's a no-brainer, right? But, people, WHY do we disrespect sexual freedom so much? We don't deign to give it any real value or weight. Why does the desire to be sexually unfettered immediately earn the dismissive, condescending labels of emotional immaturity, selfishness and self-absorption? Why don't you view it as an emotional need and adult preference, like Jake's preference for monogamy? Perhaps somewhere deep down our values still hold the stamp of puritanism and sex-hating. Sex-hating has taken gentler forms lately. Sex is longer "bad" per se; it's sanctioned and even glorified so long as it's "sanctified" within a loving monogamous relationship. However, if you're still looking around despite getting it good with a mate, you must be undisciplined, right? You're just weak against the temptations of the flesh, right? I agree with eva, the poster below: monogamy is an emotional choice that's good for some but not for others. There are more important things in the world than sex, certainly. I just think we're giving sex, and ourselves, too little credit. If you care to discuss this topic further, e-mail me at . We could also chat via IM - my aol address is
YK commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:40 pm
Yet another article about "I don't know what I want" syndrome. I'm not interested in reading about spoiled women who mistreat men and think that it's cute. If the roles were reversed, we'd never hear the end of the moaning and whinning about what a dirty bastard the cheating, lying, non-commital male was.
PWC commented on Jan 27 04 at 6:44 pm
Some people shouldn't be in monogamous relationships. Carrie could just be one of those people. No harm in it. If you have to force yourself to be monogamous, that should be a sign that it's Not Your Thing.
KAC commented on Jan 27 04 at 7:05 pm
Carrie
JAI commented on Jan 27 04 at 7:55 pm
Honestly, I
Thom commented on Jan 27 04 at 7:55 pm
Short dark hair and a red sweater? Couldn
Crsn commented on Jan 27 04 at 7:58 pm
True to your heart, bullshit. The question is, can he flip an omelet without breaking it? If so, stick to that one like the delicious carmelized crust on a crem brulee. If not, drop him like a ton of past-sell-date pate bricks.
Ted commented on Jan 27 04 at 7:59 pm
Is he pretty? I'm pretty. Are you suuuure he won't make out with boys? What if their sideburns are exceptionally even?
kyan commented on Jan 27 04 at 8:02 pm
I think this essay reveals a truth underlying Carrie's first (or second?) Hooksexup essay, "I, Slut," about the pitfalls of adopting "slut" as one's conscious persona. As much as Carrie warned against doing that in "I, Slut," we now see that she's still very much enmeshed in that exact syndrome. (Not that that's a surprise; "I, Slut" was a very good essay and wouldn't have been as good if it had been written by someone who didn't have intimate firsthand experience with the phenomenon and all its pros and cons). And THAT is why I think she wants to cheat so much. Not because she can't help wanting to fuck everything that's cute. Not because she's "naturally nonmonogamous," as some of you have suggested. It's because she doesn't feel like she's been slutty enough. Because she still feels inferior to girls who have fucked more guys than she has. Because she goes out to Lit and sees other girls racking up notches on their bedposts while her number remains the same. Because she was shy once, and other girls weren't, and she still remembers what that feels like, and she still hopes that she can black out that feeling with lots of Maker's Mark and weed. And it feels frighteningly similar to those days when she goes out to Lit and sees other girls doing that stuff while she sits on the sidelines. The proof is in the line about threesomes, where she says she's never had one and thinks it's something she ought to do, or something. It reminds me of the part in "I, Slut" where the slut-persona girls count how many nights in a row they can sleep away from home, and Carrie laments "all that counting." But here she is, worrying about not having checked off "threesome" on her checklist. She doesn't like "monogamy" because she's afraid it's uncool, and therefore she's uncool. However, lest you think I'm criticizing Carrie for all this, I'm not. She has a point. Slut-as-persona is very seductive, with good reason. Especially in NYC, in your 20s. If I lived in the Lower East Side and worked as a columnist at Hooksexup, I'd be afraid, too.
jle commented on Jan 27 04 at 8:30 pm
Hey Carrie. Save the drama.
PJ commented on Jan 27 04 at 10:54 pm
I think Carrie is experimenting. I think she's experimenting with two opposing ideas about herself -- and kind of working on reconciling them: one, that she's a hopeless incorrigible sex maniac, and two, that she actually likes being with someone who cares about her. She's engaged in a struggle to integrate herself. I think it's great.
FN commented on Jan 28 04 at 12:08 am
I hate hate hate being a prude, honestly, but why does Hooksexup let all this Pro-Drug stuff in here?? Does living in NY REALLY mean that everyone is doing coke and smoking weed (OK, the weed I don't really care about). Like the "Sex on Drugs" I Did it for Science article, and all the story's where people casually snort coke in the corner. Dude. I think maybe if you didn't make it look like everyone there thought it was ultra trendy and hip, I wouldn't mind. My dad died from a cocaine overdose. Another guy shot himself on our couch while on Heroin. I love Hooksexup, and I hate having these memories pop up everytime I am enjoying a story. Keep Sex and Drugs seperate, unless it REALLY matters to the plot. Possible?? Probabaly not, but as long as you know it bothers someone.
GDE commented on Jan 28 04 at 12:47 am
good article- i agree with the persona comments made by other readers. here is just a general comment... unless you have a psychological problem, stemming from years of sexual abuse, being slutty is just one behavior that is important for some of us to delve into. you puritans can put on your own hairshirts and pass judgement upon yourselves! the new and upcoming human development theories are stating that adolescence actually trails into the 24th year. (this is now the assumed time when the brain is fully developed) i agree with some others who have written feedback that you can't force yourself to not gush silky fluids in your panties upon seeing a scrumptious being... if you are trying to force yourself, it's unnatural. the point here is, until we slutty characters are developmentally ready to come to terms with the idea of being monogomous or not--(happening after 30, or at least after adolescence), we must practice safe sex and get all the kissing, fucking and fisting out of our system or we will have deep regrets and sorrow when we're menopausing. not to mention the resentment we will have for our loyal partner while ruining lives! monogomy is better when you are in full realization that the guy at the bar can't hold a candle to the person who loves you. for some of us, it takes lots of random fucking to make it to this place.
mrh commented on Jan 28 04 at 2:42 pm
Man these are fun comments. I agree with ME that this article offers nothing but a fairly puerile examination of the character's emotions and motivations. Also, JLE--that was a beautiful and scathing criticism. SNAP! Anyway, my take: This essay failed to lend any air of gravity to the issue of monogamy, mostly because the writer is unwilling (or incapable) of offering psychological analysis with any depth beyond that of a fifteen year-old girl stuck trying to form an image of herself as one of the cool kids. This essay, as others pointed out, comes off as nothing but a very hackneyed exercise in representing archetypes of old-fashioned monogamy and 21st century hip sexual liberation. BORING. Someone below pointed out that Carrie and her narrative persona are not the same thing. I think we should bear this in mind, but that doesn't mean we cannot criticize the psychology of this essay as being silly. And this is styled as a "personal essay", so it is presented as true. It's worth bearing this in mind lest we get too caught up in the academic notion that the narrative voice is not the author--sometimes this is true, sometimes it isn't. I actually wrote a long (if superficial and casuistic) essay on this topic in my weblog, which I love to promote in the Hooksexup discussions -- https://lavation.blogspot.com/2004_01_04_lavation_archive.html#1073683252... - it's about authorial anonymity, truth, and the personal essay. It's v. v. pretentious, I'm sure you'll eat it up. Anyway, the article had one good joke, the thing about women being "little". I think Carrie has some promise as a writer but she's yet to really work over these essays and make them serious literary examinations of personal psychology; they seem quickly scrawled out journal entries that are hit and miss. This was a miss. And no, MO, I don't expect this to be Nabokov but IMO Carrie is pretty lucky to get such detailed criticism from such a wide audience. Some of these criticisms (like mine) can be pretty vicious, but we aren't trolls for the most part--some of these criticisms have more interest than the essay itself.
NK commented on Jan 28 04 at 9:35 pm
What's with all the scrutiney towards Carrie? Don't you people have better things to do than to waste so much mind power on whether or not Carrie's lifestyle is right or wrong? Fuck, she's a writer! For all you know this isn't even an exact portrayal of her own life. And as far as monogomy goes, I think it's quite unnatural. I was in a 7 year relationship. Almost got married to the guy. All along I was wanting to experiment with girls, but he was threatened by that. He even had the fucking Hooksexup to call me a dyke. So I remained physically faithful, only to find out toward the end that he had not only been cheating on me with many of our female friends and many I'd never met, but had also experimented with a couple of men! Fucking hypocrite! As always, I try to learn a valuable lesson from each experience life throws my way. I realized that, even though this guy loved me enough to want to marry me (and he did, I know, because he still lets me know to this day, many years after the break up) he still desired some new, unknown, excitement. That's human nature. We ALL love those tingly shivers we get with initial flirtations, touching, the first glimpse of an unfamiliar body when unbuttoning their shirt, the way they kiss, the way they smell, etc... Face it, firsts are fun, exiting, even intoxicating at times. They're better than any drug. The part of his cheating that disturbed me was just that: he was cheating. I was the one who was out of the loop. I was betrayed. I was not given the fair chance to have experienced my own sexual adventures. Now I'm in an amazing, loving and open relationship. Together we've established a few rules which make it work for us, and we are both living our lives how we feel humans are meant to. We feel that ultimate love is not putting barriers on one another. And, can I tell you how hot it is to hear the dirty details of my lover's night out while he's undressing me for, what feels to him like the first time? You see, by having other lovers, we feel new to each other over and over again. And by being 'allowed' to do what comes naturally, it only makes our feelings and our trust toward each other stronger, and hotter. And the best thing is that we're in on it together. If your best friend tells you about some hottie at the bar they want to get with, you'd encourage them. You'd like to see them get what they desire. Why should all of that change when you're best friend happens to be your significant other? (And in case you're thinking cynically to yourself that this will never last.... it's been 4 years, and we just got engaged. This, my cynic, is true love.)
S.H. commented on Jan 28 04 at 10:11 pm
All the criticism is almost as much fun as the article! Carrie is a young woman and is on track developmentally, wrestling with her psyche. She is immature, self-absorbed, and insecure, but what girl at her age isn't? Not too many of them, or boys for that matter. Keep on writing, Carrie!
Spif commented on Jan 28 04 at 10:36 pm
This has been fascinating. Wanted to add a note to S.H. - I think it's great that you've found a way to make an open relationship work and I hope it continues. In the scenario presented by this essay, however, you have a man who's made it very clear that he's not interested in an open relationship. If Carrie wants an open relationship, she should find another guy. No harm, no foul, no judgment. Wrestling with that could be interesting reading. Instead, there was a whininess that reminded me of Veruca Salt in "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" - "But I want it NOW!" Past the age of, say, 18 months, no one gets everything they want, when they want it, and that goes for the monogamous, polygamous, swingers, open relationships, bisexual and transgendered. (Forgive me if I've left anyone out.) They all have their guidelines and challenges, many of which can be enough to make you wish you're single. But to try to play both ends toward the middle doesn't inspire sympathy. Apparently, it does inspire a lot of feedback that's more interesting than the work that inspired it.
DLH commented on Jan 28 04 at 10:46 pm
I enjoyed reading the feedback, but I noticed something. Everyone is talking about how they feel about monogamy (or not), and there is nothing at all about Jack & why he feels this way. They have only been together for a few weeks and it's only his second sexual relationship & she's talking about fucking other men... Surely it's obvious why he feels insecure? Give it time, I say.
tdb commented on Jan 29 04 at 6:35 pm
Timing figures in the compatibility equation. Jake may be right for Carrie, but she isn't [currently] right for him. She isn't ready for what he offers, what he represents. She can't handle monogamy; it's too great a burden to resist all those temptations. She wants to have Jake but also be free to fuck the doorman, finger the barmaid and blow the Bulgarian hat inspector. This isn't novel; many people keep a checking-and-savings arrangement. Depending on the parameters of the couple, Savings may suspect or be fully informed how much Checking gets done each month. As for the reality of Carrie [the character], well, what difference does it make? Real or fictional, she's a child. Her existence is defined by her wants; she's alternately puzzled and/or enraged when she can't get them. She smokes, drinks, tokes, snorts and fucks with no consequences...yet. As with all children, she'll either survive these habits or perish from them. As for Carrie the writer...she has potential, but Carrie the character may be holding her back.
FBR commented on Jan 29 04 at 7:56 pm
Find a guy who loves to eat creampies instead of that odd prude "Jack" who will enjoy being a cuckholded borfriend!
STP commented on Jan 30 04 at 8:45 am
Hmmm. I liked the last two installments, but with this one, Wilner's writing is slipping again. Still, it's an important subject she's covering, and she puts the idea of it across rather well.
TJ commented on Jan 31 04 at 4:34 am
I'm sort of enchanted by the lightness of all these pieces by the writer. But when I see 'Johnny Depp' and hit phrases like 'tangibly happy' I want to move on.... and will look forward to her next piece.
cla commented on Jan 31 04 at 5:13 pm
Maybe Carrie is hesitant about monogamy because she's afraid she won't have anything to write about in her column.
pl commented on Feb 08 04 at 7:32 pm
grow up.
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it not a high prof
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