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Date Night Redux: H's Version of Our Night Out

Posted by amboabe

The other day I wrote about a date I had with H. It can be difficult writing publicly about people you're seeing. H eventually found the post I had written about her and, though I'm loath to put words in her mouth, she seemed unhappy with what I had written. I asked H if she would be willing to share what her experience of our time together was so that I could post it here. She accepted the offer and what follows is her recounting of our date. In case you're curious, I was born in Kenya. I am not South African, nor have I ever been to South Africa.

 


 Now H's story:

"As I walk into Dolores Park to meet South Africa man, he sends a text to let me know he’s wearing a purple shirt and is sitting beneath a baby palm tree. Purple shirt guy might be boring, might be rude, might need intensive therapy, might be gorgeous, and might be fun. Half expecting that he’ll be awful; I’m stoked that cocktails will be involved. He promised to bring wine. I have plans afterward with a girlfriend, so either way I’ll have a fun evening. I’m new to San Francisco, and making new friends is far more important to me than finding myself involved in a romantic relationship. That said, I’m completely emotionally available and am open to meeting someone extraordinary, otherwise I wouldn’t even be here.

I round the palm and see him. He’s beautiful, but I decide that I am more beautiful and I find comfort in knowing that I have an edge here in the balance of power. Beautiful South Africa man stands and we exchange a hug and kiss. He pours wine into two animal print coffee cups. I choose the cheetah print and he teases me about being a fast girl. He’s casually dressed in cute jeans, a faded purple shirt that says hang loose, striped blue socks and bright lemon colored shoes. It sounds like a bad combination, but he completely pulls off the look and I like it. I compliment his shoes. “They are yellow,” he says. “I know my colors,” I say. He comments that he likes mine as well. Unless he paid close attention while I slipped them off, I know he cannot see them. My shoes are behind me and out of his view. I ask him what kind of shoes I am wearing. He laughs and owns up to not knowing.

He shares his hatred for feet and we both agree that it’s weird that his coworkers tend to walk around at the office in white tube socks. He asks me a work question and then apologizes immediately. He hates talking about work. Perfect, because so do I. “Tell me a story,” he says. I share a story that I had just discussed that morning involving a girlfriends bombed Valentines Day earlier this year. Her boyfriend broke up with her on Valentines Day. Fabulous girl that she is, she put on her sexy new lingerie, and drank an excessive amount of champagne while feasting on crab and oysters that she had planned to share with the boyfriend. While cracking open one of the oyster shells, the knife slipped and she had to be taken to the hospital in her lingerie for stitches in her hand and wrist which without explanation appeared to be a suicide attempt. Beautiful South Africa guy shares that he’s never had a great Valentines Day. He asks if I have and I just say “yes.” Sharing a hot Valentines Day story about a previous boyfriend doesn’t seem appropriate ten minutes into a first date.

He leans in and kisses me. It’s perfect. It’s soft and sweet. He pulls away and shares that he “just wanted to try it out.” He leans in again and we kiss for a few more minutes. I love kissing and we kiss well together. I’m also aware that we are in a public park and try my best to fight back a bit of laughter. I usually require a bit more alcohol to engage in PDA with a stranger. While I wasn’t necessarily ready to kiss South Africa, I completely indulge myself in a fabulous make out session. He shares that he’s been in the city for almost a year and we banter about how he could spend his little anniversary with the city. I suggest the Kabuki Spa having just been for the first time after a day of surfing. It’s such a relaxing and lovely way to spend an afternoon or evening on oneself.

 



He asks me if I smoke. I do. He asks if I mind giving him a cigarette. We’ve been drinking wine for about an hour and I was just planning on having one myself. We spend the next few hours kissing in the park. The sun is setting and we have a gorgeous view of the city. I realize that I don’t really know anything more about South Africa than I knew before walking into the park. I know that he dislikes co-workers cruising around the office in their socks. I know that he was born in Africa, but not South Africa. I forget where exactly but still continue to refer to him as South Africa merely because I like how it sounds. I know that he buys striped socks. I know that he has amazing hair which feels incredibly hot to run my fingers through. I know his name and I know that he is an amazing kisser. For a first date, that’s good enough for me.

We both have plans later in the evening. I’m meeting a girlfriend for drinks around 10:00 and he has a friend coming over around 9:30. He invites me over to meet his man friend and for us to have a cocktail before we each go out. I agree. Nothing says serial killer or sexual sadist about beautiful South Africa man. Maybe it’s his expensive and fashionable glasses or his bright yellow shoes. We walk hand in hand and intermittently stop to kiss along the way and in the elevator on our way up to his apartment. Beautiful South Africa’s man friend is fantastic, and mixes all sorts of random and delicious drinks for us. I’m certain to have a hang over.

Man friend asks whether I have seen South Africa’s photographs from when he was in the Peace Corps. I have not. He insists that I see them. Did I know that beautiful South Africa man is making a film and is the director? Have I seen his fantastic pair of pink shoes? It’s all so cute. Man friend is trying to make beautiful South Africa seem very cool for what I perceive to be my benefit. I ask for a few embarrassing stories, he doesn’t give any up. He’s a loyal man friend. After viewing the Peace Corps photos, I realize that beautiful South Africa has only recently grown into his adult hotness. He’s “new hot” and I find that attractive. I’ve never been a huge fan of guys who know they are good looking as the knowing of one’s hotness generally corresponds with a certain level of arrogance that I find unattractive. I step out to the terrace and call Tara who is lounging around in her panties and her bra and who is now contemplating staying in. I hadn’t realized the time and am late to meet her. She needs a few minutes to pull it together so I have a few more sips of man friend’s drink concoctions.

Beautiful South Africa is attentive and affectionate with me in front of his man friend. He holds my hand, kisses me and wraps his arms around me intermittently while we chat and share drinks. I excuse myself to use the bathroom and return to find beautiful South Africa and man friend setting up wii golf. Do I want to play? Man friend hands me a remote and I decide it is time to go for sure. I feel like something shifted in the mood. Man friend is visiting from out of town, my girlfriend is waiting for me and I think video games are silly. When I share that I am leaving, I find it funny when beautiful South Africa man asks if it’s because they are playing videogames. Funny “ish” because I slightly feel that he is gauging whether setting up video games is a sure way to get a girl to leave one’s apartment. Given his behavior throughout the evening, I hadn’t considered that he might actually want me to leave.

He offers to walk with me to my girlfriend Tara’s apartment which is a few blocks away. We walk hand in hand. When we arrive, he shares that he will be busy filming all next week and weekend, but that he would like to see me again the week afterward. He also suggests that I call him earlier if I’m available. I’m not a ‘call first kind of girl’ and explain that while I’d love to see him again, he should call me. He calls me old fashion before we share an amazing kiss goodbye. I climb the stairs to Tara’s apartment with a huge smile on my face and am excited to share all the details of my date.

I’m a complete girly girl and gush over my date’s gorgeous hair, that I think his glasses are sexy, how well we kiss together, and how he’s easy to talk to. I again realize that I don’t really know anything more about him, but don’t really care. I assume that I’ll see him again. Tara throws on a gorgeous new dress and we walk to a nearby bar. We have an entertaining conversation about beautiful South Africa man, her new love interest, dating in general, and then of course go back to her apartment and have a pillow fight in our bra and panties. The week passes and I’m secretly a little bummed that beautiful South Africa man hasn’t called. I never considered that he wasn’t interested in seeing me again. Not because I’m arrogant, but because of the level of affection he showed throughout our date. I generally think I’m a good judge of a man’s interest in me. The confidence in this skill has recently disappeared.

The following Sunday, I find myself leisurely playing online and decide to check out the Hooksexup magazine site which is generally entertaining enough. I click on the date machine which I had not noticed before. I see beautiful South Africa man’s photo alongside other photos and various articles. I assume that he must have upgraded his membership and has a highlighted profile. I skim various articles and come to a catchy article title about two women in the same night written by some guy who once sported a mullet. It takes me a few paragraphs to realize that I am reading an article written by beautiful South Africa man about our date. I have been reviewed and it’s not good.

I call Tara. I call Katie. I call Rachel. I read the key phrases in the article to each of them which note that he thought I was “boring”, how he kissed me so that I “wouldn’t start talking again”, how he “laughed lots to cover up his boredom”, and that he had “little interest” in me. I’m both injured and amused. He’s really not into me? I have a fairly healthy ego and I decide it will be funny to print the article and put it on my refrigerator. I own a copy of ‘He’s Just Not That into You.’ My friends and I don’t need this book to guide our love lives. We think it’s ridiculous that women need someone to point out that if a man is not calling you, or is married, or is not having sex with you, then he’s probably not interested. There is not however a chapter cautioning women that a man may not being interested in you if he spends the evening kissing you, holding your hand, laughing attentively while you share stories and inviting you to his apartment to meet one of his friends followed up by a decoded man version explanation that kissing may be his way of quieting you and that his laughter covers boredom.

While this is the first time to my knowledge that anyone has ever called my boring, I obsess over the next few days. I overanalyze my fun level and charm and am annoyed that a few paragraphs written by a man I hardly know have had such an effect on me. Dating can absolutely suck. It can be expensive, disappointing and a humbling experience. It can also be wildly romantic and allow ourselves to explore new interests and places with amazing new people. After a few days, I finally stop obsessing and I realize that we are all reviewed by the people we encounter in our lives. And in the end, the only reviews that really matter are the ones we give ourselves. Beautiful South Africa man does not need to think I am fun nor interesting because I think I am just fabulous!"

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Comments

vix_en25 said:

Im glad she came to that conclusion. I am NEVER dating a blogger. it's easier to get over that kind of dating situation if you don't know exactly what the other person's perception of you is. It's a waste of time to analyze this kind of thing since its so subjective, one person may dig your stories while another will find them 'boring'. in any case Amboabe, kudos on being honest enough to print this.

September 23, 2008 10:53 AM

Toluca_86 said:

Wow.  I mean, her story doesn't make her sound that interesting to me, either.  A little too bubbly and girly (and maybe shallow) for my taste.  But, her version kind of makes you sound like a tool too.  I hate it when guys act interested when they're really not.  It's not being polite, it's just being a coward.  (that is the bitter opinion of someone who's had that happen to them...)

September 23, 2008 10:59 AM

zeitgeisty said:

Seemed like she was totally into you...

September 23, 2008 11:05 AM

amboabe said:

I never said I wasn't interested. I checked in with her and wanted to go out again after the craziness around my short died down. I liked her ok, even if I wasn't swept away by the whole thing...

September 23, 2008 11:25 AM

vix_en25 said:

im not sure about that zeitgeisty, maybe she just saw potential, which is rare to find these days. besides, when someone (with really good hair and pretty shoes!) acts like they are interested in you right away like that and when you're new in town and all optimistic about a fresh start, it can be a pretty heady mix (or so I've heard :)).

September 23, 2008 11:32 AM

Toluca_86 said:

"I never said I wasn't interested. I checked in with her and wanted to go out again after the craziness around my short died down. I liked her ok, even if I wasn't swept away by the whole thing..."

Fair enough.  But to me, lots of affection on a first date usually connotes a high degree of interest...  At least, I think that's how I'd interpret it too.  A couple times guys have done that to me, and then I started to back off b/c they seemed too into me too fast, and then it turned out they weren't blown away by me yet either, and the whole thing was just frustrating and confusing.  I guess to me, showing lots of affection without lots of feeling behind it is just like... going through the motions, which I find sad.

September 23, 2008 11:56 AM

janbrady75 said:

Oh, this is horrible. Like H, I'm a modern independent lady--I can pick up the cues when someone's not into me and brush myself off. But you naturally get excited when someone does show interest. (I agree with Toluca that that much affection on a first date--and in front of a friend--connotes pretty high interest.) And then to find out that they still weren't that into you? Ouch.

September 23, 2008 1:08 PM

f-leming said:

In the story you wanted to tell, two girls one night, she had a special function: to respond to your Bond-like reserve, play into your cigarette scheme, etc. to show that distance works as an attractor. We need to be able to separate narrator and author, even in non-fiction.

That being said, as an emotionally available sort of dude it's a bit like watching someone pick a single blueberry from the muffin and toss the rest. Why bother going through the motions of being interested(e.g. the shoe gambit)? This is San Francisco where "keeping it casual" is supposed to hedge us against blame if things go wrong. Be the distance you want to see in this world (not just on the internet) and your low expectations will still be met.

I don't know, I'm just bitter because there's a silver-dollar sore on my back where a fatty tumor is making a bid for freedom. If my own body wants to get away what hope do I have with the ladies?

September 23, 2008 2:39 PM

amboabe said:

I'm not sure why there seems to be no allowable middle ground between interested and not interested. I wouldn't have spent 2 hours making out in the park and then invited her back to my place if I wasn't interested. I knew there probably wasn't any long term connection between us but I thought we might have some fun together in the interim. Kissing is fun, feeling another person's touch is fun. It can certainly intimate more than that, but after a first date? In total honesty, I'm not going to be seaworthy for a serious commitment to a new woman for a long long time. In the meantime most of all of this is just going to be a pantomime, something to feel less lonely in the empty moments inbetween. I have no idea if it's right or wrong, not going to justify  anything. But, in all honesty, that's what I've got right now.

September 23, 2008 3:53 PM

janbrady75 said:

There's absolutely a middle ground, and you articulate well here how you're feeling these days. But you state in your original post that "I had little interest in her...I was wholly unengaged." Clearly your pantomime was very convincing. Which is fine for you, but I wonder where it leaves the other person.

September 23, 2008 4:21 PM

aghmprettyok said:

Its like your saying: "I'm not interested in a long term relationship so I'm going to string along a bunch of women"  

It just makes the world an ugly place.  Its just depressing, this whole being a phony and manipulating other people to get what you want out of them (IE: Physical intimacy before you can BEAR TO HANDLE another relationship.)  Even the word pantomime is so wrong, its as if you're saying "I'm going to fake how a real person would act if they liked you"  I think I've been saying these type of things readily along, but the above people are way more thoughtful in the analysis.

Maybe its where I'm coming from where I feel like I'm surrounded by people pantomiming real emotion.  I hear everyday "Everyone's a phony and that's what you got to be to survive"  But I really hate it so much.

September 23, 2008 9:41 PM

pinkboots said:

Will there be a second date?

September 23, 2008 10:56 PM

H Fan said:

I frickin' love H!!!

September 23, 2008 11:04 PM

sofia said:

H = a lot more balls and dignity than I would show if I ever read something like that about me.

September 23, 2008 11:40 PM

amboabe said:

aghmprettyok: I don't think I was stringing anyone along. Keep in mind this was a first date. We spent four hours together. We had good physical chemistry and I was attracted to her, and we acted on it. That's no more dishonest than thinking a couple hours of kissing means the other person is astrally linked to you in some fundamental way. And the note we ended the date on was a pretty honest reflection of my level of interest, I thought. "Give me a call next time you're in the city."

And there is something sad in thinking about physical intimacy in terms of a pantomime. I don't have a response, maybe it does make the world an ugly place. It's the best I can do at the moment and, to me, it's still better than doing nothing at all.

September 24, 2008 10:34 AM

zeitgeisty said:

I hear you amb... You don't owe this girl anything... It was a first date, you BOTH kissed.. you felt, interested but not that interested... whatever... I don't see the problem. It's not like women don't do the same thing to men all the time... EVeryone does it.. Besides which, it wasn't like you said you NEVER wanted to see her again, it's just that you weren't that sure abuot HOW you felt.. jesus.. get off your high horses people.

September 24, 2008 10:45 AM

Toluca_86 said:

I don't know that "everyone" DOES do it, Zeit.  I know you do it, from a previous blog of yours.  But for instance, I don't think I do it.  (Well not anymore, anyway.  I experienced one person falling for me when I didn't want it and then becoming a border-line stalker and that was enough for me...)  Now, I'm fairly cautious with who I show a high degree of affection or physical intimacy to -it has to be somewhat genuine, someone I genuinly like and see somewhat of a future with, or else someone with whom I feel there's been enough clear communication about expectations that not much confusion can occur.

September 24, 2008 11:22 AM

askmeanything said:

Or you can preface the meeting in any of the preamble emails with saying you aren't looking for a relationship anytime soon and just want fun casual dating.  

The person might still get his/her hopes up and be disappointed, but it's more honest and forewarned is forearmed.

September 24, 2008 4:08 PM

thea said:

Right Toluca, regardless of whatever justifications and casual intent he has, it's still unkind. He entices someone to become enthralled with him, even if it's just by making his charming fashionable affable "beautiful" self seemingly available to her. But in fact he isn't emotionally available by any means, and instead uses her level of interest in his shmoove-guy persona as fodder for an unflattering blog piece. That's cruel. Ambo, I sincerely believe you hurt this woman despite whatever fluttery girly pluck she decides to display; so unless you're in it all for your own selfishness you've violated whatever benevolent intentions people are meant to expect from dates, however perfunctory. Your courtship pantomime will jade the women you leave in your wake, and you need to take responsibility because we all invest in the kind of world we want.

September 30, 2008 10:13 PM

live said:

H: You are a true lady. Agreed that it took some balls and class to respond to the article in such a open and vulnerable manner. Pretty, bubbly, and girly with a little edge of sarcasm is hot in my book! Thanks god for not writing a needy chick response. Cheers!

October 3, 2008 1:53 AM

epinephrin said:

god I need a girl like H. She has her head on straight, has a sneaky sense of humor, self aware. Her personality has a no bullshit glow with a lack of jaded.

October 4, 2008 12:59 PM

jociepirate said:

Epinephrin, you are correct on all levels about H!  However, you forgot the beautiful part.  

October 6, 2008 3:19 AM

No High Horse Here... said:

I hear you about not being ready for the long haul, it's just that a big display with modest interest tends to feel more like playing someone.  I certainly think there is room for 'fun' intimacy and sex, but it's only fair when everyone is in the game.  

Personally, I don't think that 'pantomime' is "the best" anyone can do.  I realize it's likely an artistic requirement to be dramatic and overcome, it certainly makes for interesting writing, but why not just be what you feel?  

All this "faking it" is creating the void and empty moments you identified; in this case, if you accepted your true feelings you might have been a bit more engaged (less bored) and perhaps not created an image of more romance than there was (ie - more potential for the fling you seem to want); or you might have tuned into what might make you more satisfied (elsewhere)

October 11, 2008 5:45 PM

axm said:

You're justifying your behavior with excuses.  Why don't you excuse yourself out of the dating scene?  

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