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On being the other woman

Posted by fishnetsandlight

In my line of work, you often spend hours at a time with other people's husbands. It's illuminating.

I'm not married. Never have been. So maybe I'm talking out of my ass here, but...I'm pretty sure that most of the "my wife just doesn't understand me"/ "she doesn't like sex" crowd is not telling the truth. Not the whole truth, anyway.

In my experience, there are way more people who want to roleplay than want to be beaten. The longer you stay in the game, the less you have to wade through the roleplayers, but they still make up the biggest chunk of the overall industry's clientele.

Think about that: married men are looking to have a sexy time with women who are not their wives... but the women have to pretend to be someone other than themselves. (Because a 20-something in a whisper of vinyl and 5inch heels isn't exciting enough?) Yet it never occurs to the men that maybe this desire to micromanage their interactions with women is a possible source (or at least a major symptom) of the fucked uppedness of their marriage.

Now don't get me wrong: I don't see married men who see sex workers or have girlfriends as being the scourge of the earth or anything. I've got my own fucked up issues (too many to enumerate here), so I'm in no position to judge.

Mostly, it's just sort of sad. It makes you look at your own relationship and wonder if this is how they started out with their wives: if the secrets and the lies are something looming large and inevitably over your own future.

But that's always what's so weird about being the other woman, I think: knowing just a little too much about the mechanics of an extramarital relationship. Knowing that it takes so little. That it could happen to anyone.


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voneberhorst said:

Without delving into issues of definition and existence versus magnitide, fidelity and it's opposite are conscious choices.  I strongly suspect these gentlemen wilfully sought you out and chose to employ your services - that is to say, it didn't 'just happen'.

Speaking as a divorced man myself, your gentlemen must bear equal responsibility for the state of their marriages, even if their contribution is the enabling of their wives' behaviours.

Ultimately, it's not what happens to us, but rather how we manage what happens.

January 23, 2009 8:05 PM

tearsofacid said:

You last sentance is exactly the reason why the only thing I'll ever marry is my work.  I've seen so many people get burned by their partner's cheating that it would be foolish to think it couldnt happen to me.

January 24, 2009 3:17 AM

profrobert said:

I do believe what goes around, comes around.  If one willingly is the "other" man or woman, doesn't that give some future partner license to cheat on you and the world license to seek to have some future partner of yours cheat with them?  You can never tell what happens inside a marriage of course, but certainly the "other" party has no axe to grind against the cheater's spouse.  If you put bad stuff like that out there, I believe it will come back -- I've seen it over and over again.

January 24, 2009 1:04 PM

fishnetsandlight said:

vonberhorst - I think that's what I said... I wasn't excusing the behavior. Just acknowledging that it's unfortunate. On everyone's part.

tearsofacid - That's one way to handle it.

profrobert - Eh. I think what happens in many marriages happens because people universally and inherently suck. The whole cosmic balance thing hasn't been part of my ideology since my time as a teen Wiccan.

January 24, 2009 2:08 PM

blackavar said:

"people universally and inherently suck"

ouch, sweets, you just turned sideways and damn near disappeared. in a few more years you'll realize that people don't actually universally and inherently anything. In the meantime though, it's a great justification for anything, so keep on doing what thou wilt.

January 25, 2009 9:18 AM

airheadgenius said:

I think it's astounding that anyone would base their decisions about relationships on whether or not a man "cheats" with a dominatrix. It's a reasonable assumption that "most" men do not visit them in the first place otherwise there would be an awful lot more fishnets kicking around.

Maybe you should try going to a playground and hanging out with people sharing their lives and raising their children. You might be surprised to find that many people are happily married.

January 25, 2009 10:25 AM

recycledbrooklyn said:

I've got to agree with blackavar here.  I don't believe that people universally anything.  I do believe that for most people, if they are anything like me (and I don't consider myself out of the ordinary in any sense), there is a daily balancing act between selfish tendencies and truly working towards being a stand-up human being.  

My ex-wife and I agreed on one thing in the beginning and that was to try to be as honest as possible.  Acknowledging that people grow and change, there are times that people grow apart.  Your clientele don't end up at your door because all people are cheaters, or that people in general suck.  They made a decision not to live by their vows.  

Perhaps the role-playing is a way for them to try to step outside themselves and act out with as little guilt as possible... "hey, it wasn't me."  Married couples roleplay too.  Married couples make honest agreements to engage in "alternative" activities and lifestyles too.  That's hardly cheating.

January 25, 2009 11:20 AM

fishnetsandlight said:

blackavar - War. Murder. Racism. Pettiness. Those are just a few of our wonderful acts and creations. People suck, in that "Lord of the Flies" sense. The same could probably be said of the other animals: I just don't know them well enough.

ahg - The people at the playground and the people calling me for appointments are the same people. I think you guys are taking my "people suck" comment too... literally/seriously(?) People do shitty things to themselves and each other. Always have, always will. So when I say they "suck," I mean... individuals/groups range from having the usual imperfections to being just horrible. In other words: I suck, you suck, we suck, they suck. World keeps turning.

And as I said in my post: I don't think the husbands are bad people. I try not to allow bad people to be alone in a room with me (particularly, when there are objects of torture around.) They're normal people doing the normal sucky things that people do.

recycledbrooklyn - People absolutely universally do some of the same things. All societies need laws against murder/rape/theft because... people will kill/rape/steal if left unchecked.

OBVIOUSLY, if the couple has an agreement, then he's in the clear. Personally, I don't have a married client who has such an agreement with his wife: they'd be pretty rare!

I know that coming to me can be of great help: I've seen people blossom over time, and realize some important things about themselves. And I can feel good about that. And he can feel good about that. All I said in this post was that I can't help but think about it from the woman's side of things: I'd be hurt if my husband went outside our marriage in any respect. I'd probably divorce him: if he can't talk to me, then maybe we should be done. That's how I, personally, feel about it.

Also, there is a lot of naive assumption going on. Not even almost everyone is looking for a "healing." (If only! I wouldn't have to say "no" so much.)

January 25, 2009 2:16 PM

airheadgenius said:

fishnets - seriously, what percentage of men do you think you're seeing? I can guarrantee that the people I hang with are not the people you see because they don't have the cash! You seem to imply that your experience of men is a common experience of men which is ludicrous. As I said, "most" men aren't visiting you.  

January 25, 2009 4:33 PM

recycledbrooklyn said:

Have to go with what AHG says here.  We're talking about a question of percentages.  Humans generally speaking are capable of some heinous acts.

On a broader sense--you said that your work has made you privy to a lot of insights into marriage dynamics.  Could you extrapolate?  Do you think there are specific reasons men would choose a dominatrix over any other specialized sex worker?  What do you believe they get out of it?  

And what do you get from it?  Presumably there is a reason you chose this niche and you enjoy it, or it satisfies something.  I'm not exactly plain vanilla, though not a one trick pony either.  I've been with women who are into light role-playing and get off on relinquishing control and just being taken... I think there are several perfectly reasonable motivations there, but since you're the resident expert, I figured I'd ask.  

January 25, 2009 5:51 PM

tearsofacid said:

airheadgenius-

So what if most people don't visit a dominatrix. There is other evidence to show that being happily married is a rare event.  For example, the rate of divorce in the US is a little bit over 60%. This percentage tells me is that 1) most people are not happy with their marriages and 2). You have better odd of walking away ahead after playing roulette then you do being happily married.

January 25, 2009 8:02 PM

fishnetsandlight said:

recycledbrooklyn - Missed this bit in my first response. Most people who call up pro dommes are just bored with strippers and/or escorts, and thought they'd give BDSM a whirl that day. (Which is definitely the most annoying part of my job: having to sort through the guys looking for a geisha in leather.) They're sexual tourists, looking to be titillated. They usually just want to find some young thing to paw.

The others are kinky men. Men with fetishes. Men who enjoy being submissive. Masochists. If you have a thing for being encased in leather and tied down to a floating bondage table, we're pretty much the only people you CAN call to accomplish that. If you like to be hurt, you want someone who can do that without causing permanent damage and/or marks.

It's an emotional and physical experience. They can be made to feel helpless and at my mercy, and also empowered enough to test their own limits. It's a safe place for exploration of the senses.

January 26, 2009 12:56 PM

recycledbrooklyn said:

Hi Fishnets--I was just wondering if you thought there might be specific things that drive some of it... personal histories, emotions, etc.  I totally get that it's empowering to test limits though, and a leap of faith and courage to let go and submit.  

I think the same dynamics can be played out within relationships too, but perhaps that is more rare.  Letting go of control can be powerfully intoxicating in many scenarios, sexual and otherwise.  That's been my experience anyway, though more from a dominant end.  I've been involved with a couple different women who never truly got off until rendered helpless.  It was kind of a new experience for me having been raised in a generation where people simply did not relinquish control.  

January 26, 2009 6:41 PM

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