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All of my long term relationships have been with men my age or up to around three years younger.
I've had friends with benefits situations with men 5 or 6 years younger, but have only dated a man older than me once.

I've been thinking about the ages of the men contacting me of late...
The range that makes the most sense in my head is late thirties to mid forties, but I've received emails from guys much younger and much older. The youngest guy to contact me was 25 and the oldest, 77.

Of course there are plenty of instances of men dating much younger women - online, in the real world, in Hollywood.

And then there's the relatively recent phenomenon of the Cougar - the older, successful woman "preying" on younger men.

It seems to me that a certain age threshold has to be reached where it becomes a reasonable proposition. Say, 30, so that the younger party has a well formed personality and isn't susceptible to any form of pressure from the older party. And has had enough life experience to be appealing.

At 41, I can't imagine being attracted to a man 10 years older than me - physically at least - because I am a gay man trapped in a woman's body and, try as I might to change it, I am hung up on physical appearance. But I can totally imagine jonesing for a 30 year olds body, as long as they didn't talk too much. Then again, I might feel self conscious in a casual relationship with a person used to sleeping with women much younger than me who, perhaps, hadn't been through the "fun" of two children.

I can imagine an older mans emotional maturity being appealing whereas a 30 year olds world view might be too far removed from mine for us to be compatible.

Maybe I need an older husband and a young lover. Best of both worlds.


 

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Comments

profrobert said:

I had a deal with my birth mother prior to when I got married:  I wouldn't date anyone older than she, and she wouldn't date anyone younger than I.  We each got one exception.  Mine was Charlotte Rampling, and hers was George Clooney (though it turns out Clooney is a bit older than I).

More to the point, age is a number.  It doesn't necessarily reflect maturity or even physical condition.  I suspect there are men you are ten years older than you who are in excellent shape and men who are ten years younger who can carry a conversation.  I've had lovers born between 1950 and 1976, and the quality of the experience had no correlation to age (though the >40 ones were uniformly good in bed).

January 4, 2009 8:03 PM

zeitgeisty said:

10 years difference is not that much at all... I think it's all in your head, the idea of 50... but in reality, what;s the real diff between 41 and 51? not a whole hell of a lot.. I used to tell this friend of mine who was having trouble finding men her age to stay in a relationship with her - she was kinda plain and boring - that she should go for older men in their 40s - she was in her mid-30s at the time. She said they were 'gross'... It always struck me odd, 10 years older was gross? This is all totally mental... You're cutting yourself off from a totally logical pool of men for your age set!!... It's not age that makes someone unattractive, it's how they keep themselves up, I mean you can have someone at my age look like a total bucket of shit, and someone at 50 look fantastic... Just to reject out of hand seems weird!

January 4, 2009 8:13 PM

zeitgeisty said:

btw didn't mean to compare you to my plain and boring friend, was just using her as an example of someone else who didn't think older guys were attractive... I have no idea whether you are plain or boring as we've never met!... she however was quite plain and awfully boring, and should not have been turning her nose up at anything..

January 4, 2009 9:02 PM

voneberhorst said:

I will agree with profrobert that age is a number, and may not necessarily reflect maturity or condition. A case or three in point:  I ran into Dana Delaney earlier last year and mistook her for someone in her mid to late thirties - she is apparently fifty-four.  An old friend from secondary school at forty years and three children is far lovelier than she was at seventeen.  The fastest and fittest men in my old cycling club were all pushing fifty.  In spite of what life throws at them, some get better as they get older.  Conversely, the minimum age for maturity and worldliness seems to be thirty, although I have met many mature adults much younger than that.  

January 4, 2009 9:05 PM

Tiptree said:

I happen to fall just north of your age range, and so I just went and checked the photographic evidence -- and, fuck me, I was indeed better looking at 30.  

The only people I ever have arguments with (in my head) as I look through the personals are the ones who have insanely small age ranges.  

January 4, 2009 9:45 PM

xcalibur86 said:

Funny, I've always wanted a younger wife and an older girlfriend.

January 4, 2009 10:16 PM

1Jemima said:

When you're thinking 50 maybe your thinking approaching elderly but this is the peak of a person's life careerwise usually. If people take care of themselves they can be in great condition.

Some people do look better older than they did younger, however espec for celebrities that still look as if they were in their 20s and 30s when they are actually around 40/ 50 and beyond takes a lot of maintenence - ie jabs, nips and tucks as well as the water, sleep etc.

Have noticed loads of guys specify age ranges that give a lot in the younger parameter - (think 30s guy specifying 18 girl ok :0), but hardly at all in the older parameter. Quite a few even specify not someone their own age - ie only younger!!??

January 4, 2009 10:20 PM

Jonas said:

Yes, yes we are all open-minded, tolerant people but let's not surrender ourselves completely to the silly "age is just a number" notion. We all know how that hackneyed term is bull; we just keep it around for when we need it like when you fall for the cougar, fleece the older gentleman, or for the typical paramour.

January 5, 2009 12:03 AM

nottahypocrite said:

Funny how sexist, Zeitgeisty/ men-- demand 'open-mindedness' when THEY expect 10 years minimum --younger dates, but refuse women their exact age

no matter her condition, as too Old--double standards/sexist brainwash/men fearing their mortality and thinking they can be Young by Association when they are just an Old F#@k with a Younger Woman, same as Beauty by Association does not work except by feeble minds, and women are 'narrow-minded' bitches

giving men are hard time if they don't date 10 years older--Please, take a look at yourselves!

People will date whomever is attractive, quit the propoganda Zeitgeisty, of wimmin better take the old guys--they'll do what they want, including turning up their nose just like you do, in your delusions of grandeur

January 5, 2009 4:36 AM

zeitgeisty said:

I don't expect 10 years minimum where'd you get that?

as for the double standard, I think that's going the way of the dodo ... I was merely stating that 10 years in EITHER direction is not that big of a deal... now 15-20 years... that's a different story... then you're getting into generational difference..

January 5, 2009 9:18 AM

loobetchka said:

So how do you feel about 30 year old men who might find YOU gross cause you're in your forties?

Are you going to think you're gross in a few years when you reach 50?

January 5, 2009 9:56 AM

just some chick said:

When I was 20 I dated a man 20 years my senior. When I was 30 I dated men about 5 years on either side of it. Now that I am 40 and going to settle down, I chose a man who happens to be 2 years younger then me- however- chose is a perjorative term- I fell for him like a ton of bricks and had no real choice in the matter.

All of these men, particularly the one I dated at 20 taught me interesting and wonderful things about the world and myself. If you are fortunate enough to be loved by someone you respect- then age is indeed just a number.

January 5, 2009 12:09 PM

florentinoariza said:

...or maybe it's someone who's emotionally available, can plough you like a field, read to you ee cummings or yates in bed, and who's always up for a game of twister while eating pb&j's - and never tells you their age...

January 6, 2009 5:37 PM

shakti_vos said:

i dated guys in their 40's when i was in my 20's. all of the guys i dated before my ex were older (including my ex) and since we split, i've trended toward younger (even one "cougar" experience with a 21 year old!!) the older guys i dated since were too old acting, too protective, tried to hard to "take care of me", and loved to tell me their net worth.  the younger guys (especially the guy i'm with now) appreciate the fact that i don't "need" them to take care of me, i'm independent, and i didn't ask them about their 401ks on the first date (or any date, for that matter).

January 6, 2009 6:55 PM

Just Anotherguy said:

I also think age is just a number...to a point.

I've always gotten along better with people who are a few years younger than me. I'm about to be 47, and my best friend and his wife are in their early 30's.

As for romantic or intimately, again, I get along better with younger, but I have a rule of "half my age or older"

But maybe thats just because I'm a horny bastard.

January 7, 2009 2:30 PM

airheadgenius said:

forgot to respond to these....

prof - Some people look good, some not, but most people look their age. It's that simple.

zeit - would you date a 47 year old woman? And you totally enjoyed implying that I was plain and boring.

von - I was definitely better looking at 30 than 17. Although I peaked at about 37 and am now on a downward slope. Lack of sleep and large financial obligations will do that to a chick.

tiptree - if you want to get yourself really irritated (on my behalf) go check out some men's profiles. Those fuckers rarely specify an age more than 2 years above their own

scalibur - you daft bugger

jemima - how hilarious that the men here are saying "ahh, don't worry about it. Be flexible" when most top out at 37 in their list of requirements.

jones - uh huh

nota - some date what they find attractive, some date what they can get. I refuse to be in the latter category just for the sake of being of being partnered. I am working on trying not to be so hung up on appearance though. It's funny how women are supposed not to care about that whilst it's perfectly ok for a man to.

zeit - it's not going the way of the dodo. Go check out some male profiles.

January 8, 2009 6:57 AM

airheadgenius said:

loo - men, women, children, animals are perfectly entitled to find me gross, just as I am perfectly entitled to find someone else gross. To each their own. Presumably at 50, I will find 50 year olds more attractive than I do now. Since you and I are bound to be in close contact since we're such good buddies, I will keep you posted.

just some chick - good for you

florentino - here's hoping

shakti - there's a fine line between someone wanting to take care of you and suggesting that you need taking care of. The former is lovely, the latter not so much.

justanotherguy - how perfect your name is! Half my age or older could be sold on t-shirts to most men.

January 8, 2009 7:01 AM

Tiptree said:

When I see the rare ad in which a woman wants nothing to do with a man a year or two older, I think, "Good -- give us a little taste."

January 8, 2009 8:35 PM

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