If only the men of Paris were into breasts and womanly forms... sadly, they prefer women to be anorexic and frail looking.

Sexy post!  I'm skipping the gym today!  I doubted the fiance when he said that bountiful boobs and a bouncy butt were a joy for the sinewy muscular man, but it sounds like this predilection is widespread.  After years of being a sleek little racehorse, I lamented a few extra pounds.  From the snapshots stolen away too quickly, I can see that your girlfriend is any icy buxom babe.  I'm eating an extra slice of pizza tonight, drinking a beer, and shakin' it!  

My sentiments exactly on the shaving rant.

Perhaps this deserves its own blog?

I have no problem with everyone having their own preferences, however I have to say one thing: I really hate it when men like to justify their preferences for heavier women by calling them "real women".  I mean, that's as bad as guys who like skinny women calling other women "fat".  What's with the hatin'?  I feel like men are always justifyin' their own preferences cuz they feel like they have to constantly defend their masculinity and heterosexality, or something.  Some of us are just naturally skinny.  I'm still biologically female, trust me, and healthy... and I couldn't pass for a dude.

Given all the work that Raquel has had, is she really the best Throb for this post?

Zeit, I must say I have become use to getting an eye poked out when I scroll down to your daily throb! You suprised me that other day with this chicks ass in my face. I think it's easier for a woman to appreciate anothers womans breast rather than her back side. You really cought me off guard with that one! Regaurless of that, I agree a "real woman" should have curves.

Toluca is right in that not all women have curves and none the less, are infact still real women! BUT...when I see a woman with a beautiful made up face, large breast, thin legs and no hips, my eyes start examining it's neck for an adams' apple. An apple on the bottom = woman, an apple on the neck = man.

Zeit, you have been writting and talking a lot about attraction. I have found attraction and human nature very interesting my whole life. I have a biology, RN education so my oppinion on attraction is that it is primal and instinctual.

I will elaborate my findings on sexual attarction when I am able to put more attention on my spelling then my rum. I envey all of the writters here. If I could only spell and form sentences and paragraphs, people here would realize I don't drool when I talk.

What a cool job you have to be able to write about sexuality and the human experience(two of my favorite subjects) and YOU get paid for it!

If you don't mind I would like to comment, at a latter time to your blog 'The word on the street' -the nature of attraction.

Either way, by describing your preference, which you say is women with more meat on their bones as "women who look like women" aren't you kind of implying that women who don't fit your preference don't look like women?  That seems to me pretty illogical.  If a skinny woman doesn't look like a woman, what /does/ she look like?

And for the record, I would feel the same way about women who say meatheads "look like real men" or something, although that's a lot rarer least round these parts...

Before Arnold was the Governator of my state, I didn't watch his movies because he was a good actor.

I use to hear women comment on mens rears all of the time. "Oh, look at his cute butt". I never understood how a guys' butt made him cute. I didn't even relize that I was attracted to men with nice chests till afew years ago.

I have been married twice and my ex's look nothing alike. One is 5'6, blonde and very out going. The other is 6', dark hair and quiet. It took me a long time to figure out how I could be attracted to theese two compleatly different men. The one thing that they have in common though, is that they both work out and have nice, big chests. So now I know, I am a chest woman!

What does a skinny woman look like? She looks like a real woman that needs a real hamberger with fries and a shake. Is Amy Winehouse sexy?

I don't know if Im alone in this, but every time Im confronted with a picture of Amy Winehouse I feel the need to take a bath.

"I hardly think that I'm the first person in the world to say curves are 'womanly'...  Are muscles not manly? They are... they may not be your preference, but they are a masculine trait, as are curves a feminine trait... I don't even see what youre arguing about... You're naturally skinny, ok.. Still, even the skinny women I've known have curves... I don't think I've ever met a woman with a body exactly like a man..."

Well, sure, the only reason I notice this is because I've been insulted, directly and indirectly, because of my weight more times than I can count -mostly by men, too.  Still, I think I'm onto a valid point here...

Men do have some curves (someone mentioned the butt example above), and men also have (less prominent) breast tissue.  Moreover, women /most definitely/ have muscle.  When women and men exercise the same amount, they develop a similar amount of muscle, women having most of that below the belt, and men above.  So we're going back to cultural ideals here, not "natural" absolutes...

As you point out though, thin women almost never look exactly like men, so why then the talk about "real women"?

And as I was saying I find it striking that so many men always seem to talk about their sexual preferences as being something more "natural".  For another example, my mom said she had a guy friend back in the 70s (when thin was in) who was convinced skinny women's Hooksexups were nearer the surface, making sex more pleasurable.  I think that's an equally ridiculous thing to say, personally...

And MissMe, I eat plenty, thankya

And for the record, women most definitely have muscles, and even build them at a similar rate to men when they exercise the same amount, though women have more capacity for leg muscle and less for arms.  And men have some curves too, some more than others.  So what you're talking about is a cultural concept.

And as I was saying I find it striking that so many men always seem to talk about their sexual preferences as being something more "natural".  For another example, my mom said she had a guy friend back in the 70s (when thin was in) who was convinced skinny women's Hooksexups were nearer the surface, making sex more pleasurable.  I think that's an equally ridiculous thing to say, personally...

And MissMe, I eat plenty, thankya

Toluca!  Revel in your socially-accepted, most-desired-and-coveted form.  The naturally skinny body type is on the cover of every magazine, the star of film and television, atop each billboard, and even on the arms of portly computer geeks who only date Asian girls from the Cherry Blossom Catalogue because American broads are too "fat and loud".  The entire world loves a skinny girl.  You are the ideal of everyone except one bespectacled New York man with whom you regularly disagree.    

Mr. Z:  Raquel Welch was married to a plastic surgeon who spent years gently tweaking and perfecting her already magnificent form.  She has had more work than most women alive!  That said, her sexiness comes from a steely core of rabid ambition that made her convince her doctor husband to chop up her body into his ultimate female fantasy and then she ran off with a pizza man!  

Wow -what the HELL?  None of those posts were showing up on my screen, so for once I decided to keep pressing "Add" so that maybe one would show up, b/c previously some of my posts had disappeared altogether.

Sorry.  Please Edit.

"as far as that story about your mother's friend.. I dunno what that even meant.. maybe he had one too many hash brownies"

hah.  Knowing my mom that's possible.

It's just like, with me and men, I guess I most commonly have two types.  One would be the athletic, muscle-y type, the other would be the skinny, musical/artsy type.  I tend to like dark features, and round butts.  I'm pretty visual, and kinda picky.  But it would never occur to me to say that I like them because they're "manly" or "men who look like men" or... well, you get the picture.  I can be analytical about reasons I get turned on by those types, sure, but I think they're particular to me.  Whereas in my experience men often seem to give reasons for their preferences that /wouldn't/ be particular to them, that would imply other men should be turned on by the same things.  I think there's some significance to that, that's all.  You can disagree.

Mr. Z:  In 10,000 BC she had already had her first minor procedures including a much-needed nose job (check out photos from the '50s-Yikes!) and her trademark massive wigs to fill out sparse hair.  So what?  You can't fake fire in the eyes and the natural look is boring!  I love women that make the extra effort.  When I was looking to mimic female archetypes, you bet I studied Ms. Welch.  In the end, I settled for Bobbie Gentry which I could do without surgery and minimal investment.  

Oh come on now, I thought I'd be done with this thread, but no one "needs" nose jobs...

(Let's hear it for Ethnic-Nose Pride! Woo-hoo!)

Winehouse is a pooch, fat or thin, sick or healthy. She has no aesthetic whatsoever.

She looks like me when I was 14, lurching around picking fights with everybody and hooking up inappropriately!

Btw Z, it's always been evident to me that you're a breast man just from the way you write. I can TELL, don't ask how!

I told you not to ask how! but it's in the phrases you use to talk about sex and your own anatomy. And your combination of bravado and bewonderment, the cocky assurance mixed with the kind of utter thrall and awe that specifically comes over someone when they have their face buried in another's rack.

I'm good at extrapolating with men and most of the time I can size them up pretty accurately too  ;-)