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Sex Machine: What is a boyfriend? AKA, Do you date like Cameron Diaz or Goldie Hawn?

Posted by airheadgenius

 

On my continued quest to be educated in the ways of the American people - it's been 14 years and I still don't get it - I would like to know exactly what makes a boy/girlfriend?

In my country, you meet someone... If you're young enough, you'd say you "got off" with them. And then, they are pretty much your b/g friend until such time that you "split up". This could be a matter of days, weeks or years. You will have kissed this person for sure, but not necessarily had sex, yet they are still your b/g friend. (I am excluding one-night-stands clearly)

You assume you are "exclusive". That word pertains to fancy hotels in England, or posh night clubs, but never a relationship. If you go out with anyone else, you are "two-timing" or being unfaithful. Of course, this is a general rule and is about *standard* behaviour - for want of a better description - and doesn't encompass people just going out to get laid.

Here, as far as I understand it, you are dating. You could be dating one person or lots of people, but until the "do you want to be exclusive?" question comes up, one can only assume that there could be one, two or more in the mix. If you are Internet dating, then the chances of lovers being run concurrently rises exponentially. A successful Internet dater seems to be one with a very full dance card.

(I remember asking a Welsh friend in New York if her date was still dating others - they met on Match - and she was appalled at the notion. It had never occurred to her that he would be seeing anyone else)

And why is it so different for celebrities? In complete contrast to the apparent social norm for plebians, celebrities go from 0 to committed in 6 seconds or less. They hook up in an A list club or on a movie set, are immediately exclusive and, in many cases, start talking about marriage within a matter of months. Cameron Diaz has to be the biggest repeat offender in this category. Wait, maybe it's dear Jennifer who takes the prize, given that she's hooked up with Gerard Butler when the smell of John Mayer is still on her sheets. A priceless comment from Angel on Who's Dating Who "first i wanna say that i love jennifer.. but lately she`s changin` men like if they were panties.."

Where the pleb is lucky to get sex on the third date, the celebrity seems happy to receive a diamond or even conceive their celebrity foetus. The accepted behaviour of celebrities, in contrast to what's considered ok for the rest of us, never fails to amuse me. For example "Though they broke off their engagement earlier this year following the birth of their daughter, Salma Hayak and Francois-Henri Pinault have been spending quite a bit of time together as of late. The latest sighting of these two ex-lovers was at the Balenciaga runway show as part of Paris Fashion Week earlier today. And according to an eyewitness, they looked pretty cozy together". If Salma lived in Bushwick, the on again, off again nature of her relationship with a much older man that she already had a child with would be cause for quite a bit of eye rolling from the middle classes.

There are, of course, exceptions to the quick turn over rule with celebs. Darling Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have been in a commited relationship for about a hundred years for example. And maybe Brangelina will go the distance, but the odds are against them.

Anyway, back to plebians, because that's who I'm rollin with, have I got this right, Date Machine darlings? And if so, what makes a girl/boyfriend? Is there a rule of thumb re number of dates, body fluids exchanged, friends met? etc Please take a moment to school me in the ways of the American people. Thank you so much.

 

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Comments

Toluca_86 said:

Great question.  I can't wait to see other responses.

Dude, I'm only American and I have no clue.  I think it depends on where you live, in part.  I think in small-town America, and especially the more politically moderate/conservative parts, exclusivity is more likely to be assumed along the lines of your British example.  City folk, well, especially the big liberal cities (New York, Chicago, LA, San Francisco) I'm not sure if there are /any/ rules.  Different people make different assumptions, but it seems to me promiscuity of women is more likely to be glorified compared to small-towns.  (Though I have heard some city people say they don't feel comfortable dating more than one person at a time.)  I also know a lot of people willing to sleep with multiple people on an ongoing basis.  Those people have a tendency to be shadier when it comes to communicating openly about their behavior though, indicating perhaps there is a /little bit/ of a stigma attached to that?

I think there's plenty of Americans who don't know how to date at all, let alone date multiple people at once.  I don't know if the hook-up culture is to blame, or if it's an older trend...

September 30, 2008 1:38 PM

extraneux said:

Facebook is the arbiter of all things social; everyone knows that.

September 30, 2008 4:33 PM

kategreg said:

I have very strong feelings about this one. I actually got into an argument with a not-yet-boyfriend about it. We'd been dating a few weeks and seeing each other more days than not. But when he referred to me as his girlfriend, I inadvertently burst out laughing and said, "You're not my boyfriend." He asked if I was dating anybody else; I said no. He asked if I wanted to be dating other people; I said no. Then, of course, he said, "Then how the fuck am I not your boyfriend?" I said, "I wouldn't call if you if my car broke down."

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what makes someone a boyfriend in my book. If the shit hits the fan, would I think to call you? Or am I still putting my best foot forward? If I'm comfortable relying on you and asking you for non-sexy favors, then you're my boyfriend. That doesn't mean that all wooing goes out of the window; it's really more of a mental jump than anything else. But still, if I wouldn't think to call you if my car broke down, you're not my boyfriend.

October 1, 2008 12:54 AM

recycledbrooklyn said:

Color me (or colour me if you prefer) clueless.  When I was growing up you just sort of assumed if you were seeing someone that you were a couple.  Exclusivity was assumed, if not always practiced.  

I think the exclusivity conversation, which is pretty friggin' awkward if you ask me, is an important clause in a new book of rules that I've yet to find a copy of.  

With all the other responsibilities of day to day life though, who really has time to see more than one person, even if you're so inclined?  Who has the energy?  When do you have time for yourself?  Perhaps that's the point though.

Celebrities seem to have their own book of rules outside of the one for us common folk.  They change partners as often as the rest of us change our shoes.  

October 1, 2008 6:40 AM

princsstreefcker said:

Kate, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Essentially I think that there is a certain amount of non-exclusivity in the beginning which just annoys the fuck out of me. Because of course I assume he's dating other girls, and if I know for sure, I feel like I'm either competing with them, or he's not looking for anything serious. But of course it's far too early for it to be considered "serious".

Which then brings to question what "serious" entails. To me "serious" entails moving in together or getting married. These days though it seems like "serious" == changing your facebook status to "in a relationship". Which is not serious by any stretch of the imagination.

It baffles me too, and I was born and raised here. Ultimately it seems as though we're dealing with a culture that fears commitment. Perhaps (and I'm taking a leap here) it's to do with the high divorce rates in the U.S.

I think using celebrities to prove a point is in most respects, a poor way to adequately judge the state of the nation. Personally I don't believe 75% of the stuff in those magazines. Paparazzi catch a shot of an actress talking to a guy in a club, maybe sitting very close so they can hear each other through the noise, and suddenly they're "canoodling".

Also, I remember reading something somewhere recently about the secret to Goldie Hawn's and Kurt Russell's long relationship. She lets him cheat.

Perhaps that's the key?

October 1, 2008 6:50 AM

recycledbrooklyn said:

I don't know, Princss.  I'd say serious entails the depth of feelings.  I've had what I'd say were serious relationships where we both knew that marriage was out of the question, despite intensity of feelings... where it was understood that it wasn't going to work in the long haul.  I guess it depends on what you're aiming for.  

October 1, 2008 7:07 AM

spjv840 said:

Great post, AHG. For me "boyfriend" only comes out when it's become clear that we want to be together. I've "gone out" with guys, which basically means we hang out, get into trouble, make out, etc but I've had one I was "going out with" who called me his girlfriend, and I was like.."WHAT!? I don't remember having that conversation". (Well, I wasn't that rude about it, obviously, but you know what I mean.)

I don't say that I "dated" someone because around here, folks don't really "date", you know? At least no one I've ever known. Serious becomes serious when when you start living together, or seeing each other daily. I think it's safe to say that every couple knows when they reach the serious mark.

October 1, 2008 8:37 AM

shakti_vos said:

i've only had the "let's be exclusive" talk with one person - he brought it up, and i was bored w/dating, so i agreed.  it didn't last long. apparently being bored with the alternative isn't the best basis for a relationship.  for me, in my significant relationships, it's always been assumed that, if you like each other, you won't be dating other people.  

October 1, 2008 9:29 AM

profrobert said:

I spent eight years, off and on, doing internet dating, and in my book, there were exactly two indicia for whether something was "serious" or "exclusive" (which in my book were synonyms -- if we're not serious, we're not exclusive).  One is The Conversation:  Are we exclusive or not.  The other is taking down the profile.  If a person's profile is up, then he/she is open to dating others.  

As I think back on it, for the ones that became serious, I'd always go through a period where I *could* see someone else, but chose not to.  That's how I knew the relationship was something I wanted to turn serious.  (But that may be my commitment-phobic idiosyncrasy.)

October 1, 2008 12:47 PM

askmeanything said:

I do think if you are sleeping together the assumption is that you are exclusive.  At the very least, I think it's immoral to be sleeping with multiple people at once without making it very clear that that is what you are doing, so the other person can make an informed decision about his/her own health and emotional needs.

October 3, 2008 10:44 AM

zeitgeisty said:

I believe that once you begin sleeping with someone, it should be discussed what exactly 'is' the relationship. Before sex though, I wouldn't assume that it was exclusive. In my opinion, exclusivity is only really sealed when you live with the person, or see them like everyday...

October 3, 2008 10:55 AM

airheadgenius said:

askme - Personally, I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's immoral, although I probably would've done ten years or so ago, but it's certainly impolite. In the past, I've had a FWB run pretty close to a new lover, but don't have the energy to run two at once.

zeit - Wow - really? I think exclusivity can come way sooner than cohabiting. I've been exclusive many times (mutually), but only lived with a couple men. Well, three if anyone's counting. I can't decide if your opinion is old fashioned or modern.

October 3, 2008 6:17 PM

zeitgeisty said:

I think that once you have sex, one needs to assess what exactly the relationship is... at that point, exlusivity could definitely be an option... what I meant by living together, is that once you live together there's really no question about it... you're exclusive.

October 3, 2008 7:05 PM

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